[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Is this a real post or?

You evidently have such a strong view on the subject, going as far as to insult people who voted leave, yet didn't think to vote yourself?

This referendum hasn't been an overnight thing it's been coming for months. There's literally no excuse for not voting.

For Months my life has been screwed up it hasn't been a day or two.

[VanessaFeltz.]

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[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Because I should be able to trust that people in this country would prioritize the Economy over their own personal vendettas.

I can see that I was wrong in showing that much faith in people to do the right thing.

This isn't like some small Local Election, or some Reality TV Show result going against me, this will screw us all over for quite some time, and it's all because some of the older generations can't handle Immigration.

No. It's because some people who have, this morning, developed an understanding and a passion for the subject that was missing yesterday... didn't get off their arse to vote, Mock.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Mock, I find some of the inane drivel which you are posting highly offensive, and I am confounded as to why your name did not appear with any regularity on any of the long and fiercely debated threads on here concerning the EU, considering how vociferous you now are on the subject.

Let us 'grown ups' play a little game - one which I devised earlier in the thread for another 'bright young EU expert:

Without googling - tell me:

a) What The Rotterdam Effect is.
b) Whether the Uk has a positive trade balance with the EU or a deficit?
c) What is the mean average of our Gross Annual contribution to the EU?
d) What monumental benefit did Margaret Thatcher win from the EU in 1984?
e) What is the unfair anomoly in Britains EU Fishing quota?

The first young EU 'Expert' failed to even acknowledge this simple little quiz, so perhaps you will fare better?

A - I don't know.
B - Is a positive considering our Economy has improved over the decades since we've been trading with the EU.
C - I don't know the Maths of that, but I know that we contribute within the top 3 within the EU in terms of funding.
D - I don't know.
E - I don't know.

I'm no expert, it's just basic knowledge that when the UK has got one of the best Economies in the world (which is thanks to the EU) then you don't vote to make our Economy worse just because of Immigration or whatever other issues that you've got.

[kirklancaster]

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[Drew.]

My head hurts from talking to the people at work about why they voted to leave. None have good legit arguments/reasons. One guy only voted because he was worried housing and hospitals would be taken up by immigrants and that was the only reason he voted which pisses me off because the chances of there being a huge change in immigration is slim, not all but a majority of the older generation seem to be so gullible and believe anything they hear. Expecting a lot of leavers to be regretting their decisions soon, if not already

[bots]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Because I should be able to trust that people in this country would prioritize the Economy over their own personal vendettas.

I can see that I was wrong in showing that much faith in people to do the right thing.

This isn't like some small Local Election, or some Reality TV Show result going against me, this will screw us all over for quite some time, and it's all because some of the older generations can't handle Immigration.

I'm not voting on a vendetta. I do not believe in the European project, I do not share their views and ideals. I've wanted to vote on Europe for most of my adult life. I was too young last time. I voted for our economy and to release us from restrictions and trade deficit so that we can flourish. I don't think you have read extensively on the issues from some of the things you are saying but please don't presume we are all as uninformed.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything

What a great post.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kyle

It matters that you didn't vote because now when you call out others for not voting you look like a chuffing hypocrite.

I haven't called out people for not voting?

I think you need to reread the post again as I said that I wish that more of us Remain voters (including myself) had've voted as we would've seen a different result.

How's that making me a hypocrite?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Coming from the one who didn't do one of the easiest things to do, vote?

It was that X, it was so tricky to write down.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It was that X, it was so tricky to write down.

Clearly

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.

Even David Cameron said before the referendum campaign that Britain would manage fine out of the EU.He only changed his mind when campaigning began just like with his Turkey u-turn.Will we be better off economically in the long run?Only time will tell but we are'nt going to sink.
These so called 'experts' have a track record for either getting things wrong or missing them completely.Not to mention some are EU funded.Project fear from remain about doomsday and WW3 did'nt wash with the intellegent people of this country who saw right through it.

As for why does it matter if you did'nt vote?Are you being serious?It's people with that attitude that lost this referendum for the remain side.If you and the many more people like you had used your democratic right to vote then we may still be an EU member now.You can't rely on anyone to use your vote.Only you and all the other non voters can use it.
To complain about the result after truly deserves this

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_

Mock, please just stop.

You're arguing for the sake of it because you couldn't even be arsed to ****ing vote.

You do realise that I'm in the right? We're agreeing on the same thing so take my side.

All I've said is that people voted silly you should be agreeing with me on that considering we are on the same side.

And I'm not the one doing the arguing, just because people have an issue with me on here doesn't mean that you can't use your eyes and not rewrite history.

I swear to god if people say that I'm in the wrong because "I didn't vote" or because some people like to take swipes at me even when they agree with me (like here) then I will seriously flip out.

I am allowed to have opinions just because I haven't voted doesn't lessen my opinion over everyone else's opinion.

But seriously Lucas take your bias against me away for a second and look at who's starting the "arguments" or don't bother posting at all if you can't look at debates objectively.

I didn't even ****ing start the argument so don't pretend that I did.

It's like that ****ing Adele thread all over again where I made a flippant comment and people pretended that it was a massive deal, where as if someone else had've said there would've been nothing said.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

A - I don't know.
B - Is a positive considering our Economy has improved over the decades since we've been trading with the EU.
C - I don't know the Maths of that, but I know that we contribute within the top 3 within the EU in terms of funding.
D - I don't know.
E - I don't know.

I'm no expert, it's just basic knowledge that when the UK has got one of the best Economies in the world (which is thanks to the EU) then you don't vote to make our Economy worse just because of Immigration or whatever other issues that you've got.

I'm not trying to be 'clever' Mock, I am just trying to illustrate to you that you know so very little about a subject matter which you are now so vociferous about.

Admonishing and reproaching and insulting members for their 'informed' choices when you are so clearly ignorant of the subject under discussion, is pure folly.

You are simply NOT qualified to make the erroneous and sweeping statements which you are making.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Mock this is embarrassing

Making well reasoned posts about our future is embarrassing.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything

I'm not insulting anyone, people are allowed to be unhappy about the decision just like the Leavers were allowed to scream bloody murder about it being rigged when it wasn't going their way.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Firstly, don't quote research that you can't back up or I'm going to assume you've made it up. Secondly, OF COURSE it matters that you didn't vote. You're making a huge fuss because people didn't vote how you wanted them to vote while saying you, yourself, was too busy. I was busy... everyone's busy. And no, I don't believe your one vote would have mattered much, but as you didn't vote at all, it kind of negates your right to have a view.

No it doesn't.

And my kind of busy is a bit different to most people's which has made it hard for me to probably be able to ever vote on anything in Politics after this result.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything

Yes, I've got to agree with Livia - a GREAT post.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Here you are, having not bothered to vote, and having not the first clue how the legal system works, attempting to school other people on how you think it might work and imagining that's going to reinforce your point.

You should just step away from it now.

Well considering I got it bang on I think that you need to look at what the EU and the European Court of Law is.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're assuming your opinion is right and everyone else who voted to leave is a little bit silly and didn't think it through. How likely do you think that is?

Of course I think my opinion is right, it's my damn opinion. Why do people say this on forums? It's so stupid, it wouldn't be much of an opinion if I didn't think it was right would it?

Originally Posted by _Tom_

LOL @ "Brexit being won on fear". The people of the UK have rejected a campaign built on months of non-stop fear and negativity by voting out.

Oh please, both campaigns were atrociously negative and focused on none of the main benefits of the EU, just the economy, trade and immigration on repeat ad nauseam, I've said this plenty of times.

So too did Cameron and co engage in fearmongering of their own with talk of another recession, but to deny that much of the Leave campaign used people's very real concerns about the lack of housing and jobs to blame immigration for it is just delusional. Ramping up and playing on people's sense of nationalism and scapegoating immigrants for societal problems they didn't cause is most definitely a campaign run on fear

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You do realise that I'm in the right? We're agreeing on the same thing so take my side.

All I've said is that people voted silly you should be agreeing with me on that considering we are on the same side.

And I'm not the one doing the arguing, just because people have an issue with me on here doesn't mean that you can't use your eyes and not rewrite history.

I swear to god if people say that I'm in the wrong because "I didn't vote" or because some people like to take swipes at me even when they agree with me (like here) then I will seriously flip out.

I am allowed to have opinions just because I haven't voted doesn't lessen my opinion over everyone else's opinion.

But seriously Lucas take your bias against me away for a second and look at who's starting the "arguments" or don't bother posting at all if you can't look at debates objectively.

I didn't even ****ing start the argument so don't pretend that I did.

It's like that ****ing Adele thread all over again where I made a flippant comment and people pretended that it was a massive deal, where as if someone else had've said there would've been nothing said.

You can flip all you like. but that still doesn't change the fact that you are angry and complaining because you didn't vote and other people didn't achieve your desires for you. That's just barmy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Drew.

My head hurts from talking to the people at work about why they voted to leave. None have good legit arguments/reasons. One guy only voted because he was worried housing and hospitals would be taken up by immigrants and that was the only reason he voted which pisses me off because the chances of there being a huge change in immigration is slim, not all but a majority of the older generation seem to be so gullible and believe anything they hear. Expecting a lot of leavers to be regretting their decisions soon, if not already

and what have the remainers been saying about the benefits of being in the EU?

[Mystic Mock]

Oh and apparently what Farage has said about Immigration is wrong is it Livia? And the fact that the public did indeed vote for UKIP to represent us in the EU is also wrong? Because the last time I checked these things happened, and the EU and the European Court of Law are separate entities.

So what exactly did I get wrong?