[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by letmein

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-9988904.html

I am not in the UK but looking at both sides of the argument it seems obvious to me that the side that tried to muddy the waters and deceive the electorate (the most) was the Remain side. Like other commentators have said this is early 2015.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I am not in the UK but looking at both sides of the argument it seems obvious to me that the side that tried to muddy the waters and deceive the electorate (the most) was the Remain side. Like other commentators have said this is early 2015.

You may be a long distance away Liberty, but you can see more clearly than a lot of Brits.

[Ammi]

...I'm going to punch you on the nose in a minute, Kirk...seriously I'm not though because I have to go, have a bit of a busy day and don't have time for nose punching... but you behave yourself, young man...

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You may be a long distance away Liberty, but you can see more clearly than a lot of Brits.

Thanks Kirk. The referendum is not going to affect my life a lot but I did listen to both sides. One side did not have truth on their side. They just had threats, insults, and false promises. It should have been 80/20 in favor of Leave and when I say that I am assuming 20% of the population gets money from the EU.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I'm going to punch you on the nose in a minute, Kirk...seriously I'm not though because I have to go, have a bit of a busy day and don't have time for nose punching... but you behave yourself, young man...

Leave him be, Ammi

Looking forward to many more posts on this and other Political debates from Kirky and Livia, been loving and agreeing pretty much nigh on 100% with their posts re: EU and other Political stuff.

Carry on Kirky

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Thanks Kirk. The referendum is not going to affect my life a lot but I did listen to both sides. One side did not have truth on their side. They just had threats, insults, and false promises. It should have been 80/20 in favor of Leave and when I say that I am assuming 20% of the population gets money from the EU.

I don't think you did listen to both sides, from the off you were advocating leave, so you hardly came from a neutral stance, as you say it doesn't affect you, and never set foot in the UK so advising the UK how they should have voted is a nonsense

[Livia]

Nigel Farage has no power at all to make a decision about the NHS. Hardly anyone on here has taken his statements as fact in the past... so why start now?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think you did listen to both sides, from the off you were advocating leave, so you hardly came from a neutral stance, as you say it doesn't affect you, and never set foot in the UK so advising the UK how they should have voted is a nonsense

I just might be the most neutral person on this forum.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I just might be the most neutral person on this forum.

From the point of view that you don't live here yes

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Cherie

From the point of view that you don't live here yes

I will say this: I wish that our leaders (i.e. Obama) had remained neutral. Because Obama voiced his support for Remain, I had to voice my support for Leave to balance it out.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I will say this: I wish that our leaders (i.e. Obama) had remained neutral. Because Obama voiced his support for Remain, I had to voice my support for Leave to balance it out.

No one paid any heed to Obama in fact I had forgotton he had intervened, there are enough issues going in in his own country to concern himself with

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

In a PR voting system, UKIP would do very well. Last night's vote showed that.

Indeed but one things for sure both the Conservative party and the Labour party will never now agree to that.

Even if Labour and the Conservatives fell to 27% each, and UKIP were on 30%,under the present system, UKIP will still likely fall short of 100 seats.

Things change in politics but not to that level in general elections.

[Cal.]

I kinda like the idea? Paying money for health insurance from your tax would be good - then the people who actually pay into the system would get free healthcare and people who don't would have to pay?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I kinda like the idea? Paying money for health insurance from your tax would be good - then the people who actually pay into the system would get free healthcare and people who don't would have to pay?

So the people most in need of help would be left out in the cold? Lovely...

America's health system is terrible, I do not know why anyone would want a Insurance based system like that.

[Livia]

Not sure how a two year old statement from someone with no power over the NHS or anything else, has caused quite such a stir.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I kinda like the idea? Paying money for health insurance from your tax would be good - then the people who actually pay into the system would get free healthcare and people who don't would have to pay?

welp that would mean the chicks who are struggling the most would be left to die if they were for example, to get cancer.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I kinda like the idea? Paying money for health insurance from your tax would be good - then the people who actually pay into the system would get free healthcare and people who don't would have to pay?

The average American family pays $500 a month for the most basic insurance. If they’ve had an illness like cancer they become exempt from any treatment for future cancer. If you have diabetus when you start your policy, you will be exempt for diabetic treatment and any illness that could be related to diabetus. Medical insurance doesn’t insure you will be accepted for treatment and if you are not insured, a general GP visit could cost $100 and a prescription for something like an asthma would set you back $5,000 a year.

Deaths in America from the lack of affordable medical care is worse than most 3rd world countries. Do you really think its a good idea to follow their lead?

[DemolitionRed]

The EU’s push on austerity has driven our health care system to the brink. Its not only the British government that have been selling off their NHS. Spain, Greece, France, Italy, Portugal and Belgium have all been turning their health care systems into profitable commodities by selling them off to multinational corporations. The right wing wolves who are now circling Cameron’s position would continue down this commercialization of healthcare because their sponsors and they themselves have a finger in this very lucrative pie.

The NHS was doomed by the EU, especially with trade agreements like CETA, TTIP and TISA. It may still be doomed if we allow the wrong people to rule over us but that’s our choice now. The spotlight has been shone on the damage being done to our NHS and more and more people are now aware that they’ve been duped into believing the lies told by this Conservative government reg our NHS.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Nigel Farage has no power at all to make a decision about the NHS. Hardly anyone on here has taken his statements as fact in the past... so why start now?

because he won and all the people on here who dont like him but grossly underestimated him are a wee bit pissed off to find egg all over their faces