[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Boris is like Mr. Bean, someone great for a laugh but I don't want him in power.

I'm just hoping that people remember what the Tories tried to do to Tax Credits and ESA when it comes to the next election.

Yes we need a Lady with Spunk

[Northern Monkey]

I think in the next few years we will see a good few referenda throughout Europe and a good few countries taking back their sovereignty.A Europe of democratic nations who will all still work together for the common good but without the overbearing dictatorship breathing down their necks.There is alot of anti EU sentiment accross Europe and people want the chance to govern themselves again.
We just need to get a decent(or better) government in this country who will make the most of this opportunity we now have.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think in the next few years we will see a good few referenda throughout Europe and a good few countries taking back their sovereignty.A Europe of democratic nations who will all still work together for the common good but without the overbearing dictatorship breathing down their necks.There is alot of anti EU sentiment accross Europe and people want the chance to govern themselves again.
We just need to get a decent(or better) government in this country who will make the most of this opportunity we now have.

How Nice

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Livia

I spoke to a friend of mine this morning who works for the Tories. She tells me that there's been a surge in membership since the result, and since Cameron stepped down.

How worrying considering what the replacement is likely to be.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Jack_

See, more gloating. This only confirms to me that the people who voted leave haven't a clue about what the consequences of their decision will be, they haven't considered half of the outcomes and have voted merely on a pack of lies and buzzwords about how we'll 'take our country back'. That really fills me with confidence.

I'm aware we'll still be a part of the EU for the considerable future, but the issues don't change. The negotiations for our exit will not just be led by a party whose priorities I already fear don't align with mine, but by a leader of a party who will inevitably be even worse than the one that's just resigned. None of the issues I care and am worried about are likely to be on the table, it will be the same old **** that was recited ad nauseam throughout the campaign on both sides - trade, the economy and immigration. I don't give a **** about any of these things, I want reassurances about the public services and rights that are current protected and likely going to be at the bottom of the pile come the negotiations.

The timing of when we leave doesn't make these issues go away, perhaps if we had a different government I may have a different perspective on the whole thing but as it is we don't, and I am terrified at the prospect of what the next two, five, ten years will bring for this country. But no, you go back to your cheering about how 'we're free' and we've 'taken back control' or whatever meaningless phrases that apparently makes this result so great. Meanwhile the rest of us who've considered and care about the consequences this'll have on many people's lives will continue to be concerned about the direction the UK is about to take

So basically because the vote went the wrong way for you then all those who voted out are the only ones who don't care about the UK and didn't think it through properly?
I disagree.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

So basically because the vote went the wrong way for you then all those who voted out are the only ones who don't care about the UK and didn't think it through properly?
I disagree.

Correct, because I am, as I keep saying, as yet to see any reassurance from the Leave camp as to why this is a good decision, and how any of the fears that I have won't come to light. No one is addressing my or anyone else's concerns, just gloating about the result and how it's 'independence day', which as far as I'm concerned says it all.

If you had contextualised the comment you highlighted you'd know that, since I was responding to LeatherTrumpet who replied to a post concerned about the endless gloating with...you guessed it, more gloating. Fail to address the concerns of those who didn't want this result, and you will have people questioning whether those who voted for it truly thought it through. Reassure people and you may receive a different response. It's quite simple really.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Correct, because I am, as I keep saying, as yet to see any reassurance from the Leave camp as to why this is a good decision, and how any of the fears that I have won't come to light. No one is addressing my or anyone else's concerns, just gloating about the result and how it's 'independence day', which as far as I'm concerned says it all.

If you had contextualised the comment you highlighted you'd know that, since I was responding to LeatherTrumpet who replied to a post concerned about the endless gloating with...you guessed it, more gloating. Fail to address the concerns of those who didn't want this result, and you will have people questioning whether those who voted for it truly thought it through. Reassure people and you may receive a different response. It's quite simple really.

Everyone got the chance to vote for what they wanted, the votes were counted and the result announced. What business is it of anyone how another person voted and for what reasons? That's down to the individual. They are also not accountable to me you or anyone for the choice they made
be it because of policy or simply because they didn't like Camerons choice of suit or Boris Johnsons haircut. That is their choice to make.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Everyone got the chance to vote for what they wanted, the votes were counted and the result announced. What business is it of anyone how another person voted and for what reasons? That's down to the individual. They are also not accountable to me you or anyone for the choice they made
be it because of policy or simply because they didn't like Camerons choice of suit or Boris Johnsons haircut. That is their choice to make.

Yes I love the Sun Pull Out Map
give ages of all the Fecking Lazy Young
who DID not get out bed to vote.


Fecking Students

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I love the Sun Pull Out Map
give ages of all the Fecking Lazy Young
who DID not get out bed to vote.


Fecking Students

I know a few students arista and one of them told me recently that their mates were voting to remain because their friends were voting remain.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

This.

I've seen people wishing the older generation death and suffering and I think its absolutely disgusting. These people fought to give us the right to vote, and there are some people out there all happy because "oh they'll be dead soon anyway!!"

Absolutely disgusting.

Bull**** there are hardly any WW2 vets left alive. The older generation these days is boomers who have never fought for anything more than their spot on the sofa.

[Northern Monkey]

I think alot of people seem to be sat perched waiting for some big event to happen.We're not going to see much.We will get a new PM and the government will trigger article 50 when they choose to as we are still an EU member until we decide to do that and then we start negotiating our divorce terms which will take two years.After that we sort out our trade deals however long that takes and carry on.EU countries are just as keen to keep trading with us as we are with them which will carry on all through the process.Scotland may have a referendum and if they're sensible which they proved they are last referendum then they will stay in the UK but that's up to them.Then we reap the benefits of being a free nation without having to bend over and take Juncker's stonker.We decide all our own laws etc etc etc.
We will more than likely see other EU countries having referenda and very possibly leaving the EU and taking their own sovereignty and the EU will need to take a long hard look at itself.
Maybe one day it collapses or remains as a small insignificant organisation.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bull**** there are hardly any WW2 vets left alive. The older generation these days is boomers who have never fought for anything more than their spot on the sofa.

So because they are not WW2 veterans that gives youths the right to wish them dead?

[Denver]

I don't understand when people say old people shouldn't be allowed to vote when they was the ones who voted us in the EU so they should have a say if we leave

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

So because they are not WW2 veterans that gives youths the right to wish them dead?

My only aim was to point out that the "they fought for this country snarf snarf emotional blackmail engerlaaannndd" rhetoric has a sell by date and people are going to have to stop using it soon. The VAST majority of over-65's simply did not.

[arista]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07glx81#play


Dead Ringers
features The Donald
offering "Boret" Johnson
help to Build the Wall between
England And Scotland



Dezzy & Jack
You need this On Now

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Everyone got the chance to vote for what they wanted, the votes were counted and the result announced. What business is it of anyone how another person voted and for what reasons? That's down to the individual. They are also not accountable to me you or anyone for the choice they made
be it because of policy or simply because they didn't like Camerons choice of suit or Boris Johnsons haircut. That is their choice to make.

Err...I think you're missing the point. People are asking why the remainers are so 'bitter', we are telling you it is because we are worried about what the future holds and that nobody who supported this result is giving anyone any reassurances as to why it's apparently going to be so amazing, hence why people are continuing to air their concerns.

Until someone addresses the issues people have, those who are worried about what this means for their future are going to speak up and rightly so. It's a cyclical thing. Don't moan about people complaining or ask why people are so 'bitter' if you aren't prepared to address the reason why they're bitter in the first place. Do so, and they may stop.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I don't understand when people say old people shouldn't be allowed to vote when they was the ones who voted us in the EU so they should have a say if we leave

What makes me smile is people's willingness to accepts stats and figures so long as it fits in with their own agenda. They've come to the conclusion that so many more young people voted remain... but they used the feedback from only 12000 voters when well over 30 million people voted.

The stat I would like to see is, how many young people eligible to vote, didn't bother... against how many older people eligible to vote, didn't bother.

And another thing... when does young become old? What's the cut-off point and who gets to decide it? Because there's a whole range of people between 21 and 70.

[Black Dagger]

I'm yet to actually see any comments from youths wishing old people would just drop dead already, but if people are wanting to continue pushing that story arc then be my guest.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_

I'm yet to actually see any comments from youths wishing old people would just drop dead already, but if people are wanting to continue pushing that story arc then be my guest.

I've never seen anyone on here wish them dead either. Mock came close once or twice though...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

What makes me smile is people's willingness to accepts stats and figures so long as it fits in with their own agenda. They've come to the conclusion that so many more young people voted remain... but they used the feedback from only 12000 voters when well over 30 million people voted.

The stat I would like to see is, how many young people eligible to vote, didn't bother... against how many older people eligible to vote, didn't bother.

And another thing... when does young become old? What's the cut-off point and who gets to decide it? Because there's a whole range of people between 21 and 70.

Not young people thinking everything is about them and then going in a huff when they dont get their own way?

[Tom4784]

Evan Davis has accused a leading Brexit campaigner of peddling an immigration policy “completely at odds with what the public think they’ve just voted for” after Brexit.

The Newsnight presenter confronted MEP Daniel Hannan, when he was reduced to putting his head in his hands out of visible frustration over the “change of tone on freedom of movement”.

A tense exchange between the two saw Davis accuse Hannan of promising to take back control of immigration, but after a Brexit win on Friday, admit the country would still allow free movement of labour from Europe.

Hannan had said the UK should stay within the “common market” - the EU trading group - but Davis reminded him that meant Britain would still have to allow in unlimited numbers of European workers.

“I’m sorry we’ve just been through three months of agony on the issue of immigration,” Davis lamented. “The public have been led to believe that what they have voted for is an end to free movement.”

Hannan defended the Leave campaign saying Britain would not longer have to give certain legal rights to EU citizens
Hannan rebutted that after Brexit, EU citizens would lose some of their legal entitlements and the right to pay the same level of university tuition fees.

But an exasperated Davis hit back, saying:

Why didn’t you say this in the campaign? Why didn’t you say in the campaign that you were wanting a scheme where we have free movement of labour?
It comes after Nigel Farage yesterday admitted it was a “mistake” of the official Vote Leave campaign to claim that the £350m contribution paid by Britain to the EU could be re-invested in the NHS after Brexit.

He was questioned by ITV’s Susanna Reid, who asked the Ukip leader:

“You’re saying, after 17m people have voted for Leave based - I don’t know how many people voted on the basis of that advert, but it was a huge part of the propaganda - you’re saying that was a mistake?”
Farage responded that he had been “ostracised” by the official Leave campaign, adding: “As I’ve always done, [I] did my own thing.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b08d2c56393241

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We should make sure to stock up on cans of 'I told you so' Cherie, we'll be using them in abundance in the coming months

[Crimson Dynamo]

Summing up yesterday's events, Suzanne Evans, a prominent Vote Leave campaigner and Ukip spokesperson, wrote on her Facebook: 'If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We should make sure to stock up on cans of 'I told you so' Cherie, we'll be using them in abundance in the coming months

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