[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder if all those people would vote him in again? We'll see, won't we. Personally I think he's shown himself to be the worst leader Labour could possibly have chosen, although he has been a valuable asset for the Tories.

Yes they will


Minus Joey , though

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes they will


Minus Joey , though

Oh I think Joey's not the only one to be having second thoughts.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes they will


Minus Joey , though

Minus Joey yes, I have come to support strongly the Labour party but I do have Conservative roots still.
I know there are good and consensus politicians in all parties.

I did not vote for Corbyn as leader myself and even now I would still go for Andy Burnham but he is heading off likely next year too.

I do have strong agreement with Livia on this one, that Hilary Benn would be a more probable really good leader and it may come about that he 'has' to be the one to lead the taking of Corbyn on now,no matter what he says today.

My preferred choice would be someone totally new however, a man like Dan Jarvis for instance.

We need to have elected as leaders, politicians who unite and not divide,the new leader of the Conservative party to come is just as vital as whatever comes about in Labour.
Which is why for the Conservative party I would like to see someone like Matt Hancock there.

For me both Labour and the Conservative party have to really look forward and try to gain back the support they have both lost.
If they do not make that effort, then even more of the combined vote between them will end up being eroded.

I have waited long enough for Corbyn to really inspire, I am still pretty mad at him for this and he did do so, virtually abandon Labour party workers running their feet off trying to win the EU campaign for 'remain'.

Who at every turn had to deal with some really negative comments he had made or try to explain his silence.
We got far more support from the Conservatives and Lib Dems than we got from him.

I say again, there comes a time when enough really is enough.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Minus Joey yes, I have come to support strongly the Labour party but I do have Conservative roots still.
I know there are good and consensus politicians in all parties.

I did not vote for Corbyn as leader myself and even now I would still go for Andy Burnham but he is heading off likely next year too.

I do have strong agreement with Livia on this one, that Hilary Benn would be a more probable really good leader and it may come about that he 'has' to be the one to lead the taking of Corbyn on now,no matter what he says today.

My preferred choice would be someone totally new however, a man like Dan Jarvis for instance.

We need to have elected as leaders, politicians who unite and not divide,the new leader of the Conservative party to come is just as vital as whatever comes about in Labour.
Which is why for the Conservative party I would like to see someone like Matt Hancock there.

For me both Labour and the Conservative party have to really look forward and try to gain back the support they have both lost.
If they do not make that effort, then even more of the combined vote between them will end up being eroded.

I have waited long enough for Corbyn to really inspire, I am still pretty mad at him for this and he did do so, virtually abandon Labour party workers running their feet off trying to win the EU campaign for 'remain'.

Who at every turn had to deal with some really negative comments he had made or try to explain his silence.
We got far more support from the Conservatives and Lib Dems than we got from him.

I say again, there comes a time when enough really is enough.

It's surprising.To say we were on opposing sides of the referendum i actually agree with all you say.Apart from Brexit and me being anti Corbyn from day one that is.
My only fear or hope is that if we did get a pro EU Labour leader who managed to become PM that he would not try and find some excuse to hold another referendum but rather embrace the opportunities that Brexit has brought us and use them to go forward.I think a leader like that would get alot of support.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's surprising.To say we were on opposing sides of the referendum i actually agree with all you say.Apart from Brexit and me being anti Corbyn from day one that is.
My only fear or hope is that if we did get a pro EU Labour leader who managed to become PM that he would not try and find some excuse to hold another referendum but rather embrace the opportunities that Brexit has brought us and use them to go forward.I think a leader like that would get alot of support.

I think that is a non runner even with this petition with nearly 3,000,000 signatures to it for another referendum.
Does anyone, politician or otherwise, really want to go through that again.

The locks and conditions should have been placed at the time of this referendum.

A more pro EU leader could get likely easier and better terms from Europe, than the more divisive leavers, that's just my view.

We now not only need to set about healing the divisions at home in the UK,which will be very hard to do after this.
We also however have to make sure our dealings with Europe and the EU get less strained too.

Once really out of the EU too, there is no way back in the future no matter any success of the EU, as likely one of the new conditions would be we would have to accept the euro, and no way will that ever be a possibility that the UK would agree to that.