[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No kirk a skilled orator carefully picks his words and his demeanor to achieve the best possible outcomes all around. They don't indulge in bragging and smirking to fuel their own ego.

You are reffering to one specific incident T.S. where Nigel might be forgiven his bit of smugness against those British-hating arrogant EU Overlords who HAVE ridiculed him for 17 years in their smug confidence that we 'thick gullible' Brits will NEVER wise up and quit their federalist scamming of us.

I'm talking about the many, many other occasions when Farage has appeared in public, whether interviewed alone, or appearing with his contemparies on programmes such as 'Question Time', when he has convincingly beaten them at speaking, and has been generally acknowledged to have done so - even by political comentators who are not Farage fans.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

* see ' gob****e'


He has no power...none.

He is not a politician, and he does nothing but rile the masses

Spoiler:

He may not have been the one to make the decision no, but the rise in hate crime following brexit? I believe he was a key instigator for this.

Oh p-l-e-a-s-e change the record and cease with the pedantics.

POLITICIAN -
pɒlɪˈtɪʃ(ə)n
noun
a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of an elected office.
"a veteran communist politician"
synonyms: legislator, Member of Parliament, MP, representative, minister, statesman, stateswoman, political leader, lawmaker, public servant, elected official, office-bearer;

As for no power, well SUCCESSFUL FARAGE has the shamed FAILURE CORBYN for company then.

I KNOW which of the two would win a Nationwide poll for who is the best politician.

And it ain't deposed old Jeremy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh p-l-e-a-s-e change the record and cease with the pedantics.

POLITICIAN -
pɒlɪˈtɪʃ(ə)n
noun
a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of an elected office.
"a veteran communist politician"
synonyms: legislator, Member of Parliament, MP, representative, minister, statesman, stateswoman, political leader, lawmaker, public servant, elected official, office-bearer;

As for no power, well SUCCESSFUL FARAGE has the shamed FAILURE CORBYN for company then.

I KNOW which of the two would win a Nationwide poll for who is the best politician.

And it ain't deposed old Jeremy.

I thought you loved FACTS?

He's an EX MEP who didnt even have faith in the institution he professed to represent, he was a mole, a fraud and a dissenter.
He corroded the union from within for no reason other than it was his life mission to do so, not for the good of Britain.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are reffering to one specific incident T.S. where Nigel might be forgiven his bit of smugness against those British-hating arrogant EU Overlords who HAVE ridiculed him for 17 years in their smug confidence that we 'thick gullible' Brits will NEVER wise up and quit their federalist scamming of us.

At a time when, even if you fuly believe in Britain's ability to go farward and prosper in the world, absolutely everything hinges on the international relationships we're going to form as a newly independent nation? No I don't think anything other than respectfulness and dignity can be "forgiven". You can have both and still convey a position of strength. If you want the best possible outcome and the strongest possible platform for "new Britain" to launch off of you can't pretend that it isn't a very sensitive situation. What he did was selfish, and destructive.

I'm talking about the many, many other occasions when Farage has appeared in public, whether interviewed alone, or appearing with his contemparies on programmes such as 'Question Time', when he has convincingly beaten them at speaking, and has been generally acknowledged to have done so - even by political comentators who are not Farage fans.

Dubious on this as well. I'm not going to pretend that he isn't one of the better speakers when it comes to these things but there are two main reasons for that. The first is that - right or wrong - he genuinely believes the position he argues from. This doesn't mean that he IS right but that's irrelevant, it's the belief that makes a speaker convincing.

The second is that there is simply a lack of similar conviction amoungst politicians in general and it's easy to trip up someone who is reading from a script, cause them to stutter or seem unsure or unknowledgeable, and it's all over.

[Tom4784]

Nigel Farage is a pathological liar that will say anything in order to woo the gullible. He's never lived up to anything he has ever promised. He is a joke, a clown who the world is openly laughing at.