[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Morally, this election should be brought forward, I am not backing away from what I thought as right as to Brown.
It would be very simple to repeal the fixed term parliament act anyway.

The Country should say now what govt and who it wants to do all these complex negotiations and dismantling of our 43 years in Europe.
No matter what govt the electorate may chooses, majority Conservative,labour or a coalition.

This would be more outrageous than going back on the EU vote if with all these changes and policy changes too,on top of the EU exit, the Country was now denied a voice in a general election with an unelected PM in place.

Whoever takes over will I feel sure face massive pressure to hold an early election as they have no mandate,if they don't that will turn to anger too and rightly so.
This is too long to the next election,almost a full term,this would be a PM acting on a major constitutional issue that affects across the whole UK who has not a bit of elected authority to do so.

How can we possibly have a general election with both Labour and the Tories without any kind of leadership? Both sides need to sort their leadership and have a settling down period.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by jaxie

How can we possibly have a general election with both Labour and the Tories without any kind of leadership? Both sides need to sort their leadership and have a settling down period.

Once they've both got their leaders in place they should then plan to do a GE within a year.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Once they've both got their leaders in place they should then plan to do a GE within a year.

Absolutely right,

They all have to get sorted out for the local elections next May Mock, there is no reason why a general election could not be fought at the same time and voting on the same day too.

Hardly any disruption, as if any disruption could be as bad as things are now.

[kirklancaster]

Before any General Election it is time for Electoral Reform and Proportional Representation.

Ukip has ONE MP, but was the 3rd largest party with 12.6% of votes cast, and came second in 118 of the 650 parliamentary seats.

Britains TRUE political landscape under the more democratic PR would have seen UKIP with 82 seats and Cameron's team losing 90 seats.

Where would the Tory majority have been then?

And only the most bigotted of anti-Farage people would say that a Tory/UKIP Coalition would NOT have been better for this country than the Tory Majority which allowed them 'free rein' with some of the most damaging policies for the working classes yet seen in the UK.

Say what you will about Farage, but his track record SHOWS that he cannot be bought and he would have done what the Lib Dem's failed to do - and that is; put a brake on the most unfair and radical of Cam's policies.

Electoral Reform is overdue.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Before any General Election it is time for Electoral Reform and Proportional Representation.

Ukip has ONE MP, but was the 3rd largest party with 12.6% of votes cast, and came second in 118 of the 650 parliamentary seats.

Britains TRUE political landscape under the more democratic PR would have seen UKIP with 82 seats and Cameron's team losing 90 seats.

Where would the Tory majority have been then?

And only the most bigotted of anti-Farage people would say that a Tory/UKIP Coalition would NOT have been better for this country than the Tory Majority which allowed them 'free rein' with some of the most damaging policies for the working classes yet seen in the UK.

Say what you will about Farage, but his track record SHOWS that he cannot be bought and he would have done what the Lib Dem's failed to do - and that is; put a brake on the most unfair and radical of Cam's policies.

Electoral Reform is overdue.

Actually as to that whole post I agree with you, and on the figures,it would have bee more likely to have a Conservative/UKIP coalition, I also agree that would have been considerably better than what we have now.

I am a newer advocate of electoral reform over recent years but have come to the belief it is time, with both major parties, getting easily under 40% of the votes cast now, that it is ridiculous a party can govern unfettered with only around 37% at best of the votes cast in an election.

I think pr would make for better policies,more inclusive govt and far better representative govt too.
Labour have flirted with changing the electoral system but never actually got round to it, although had the Lib Dems tried to do a deal with Labour in 2010,maybe they could have forced their hand more as to it, at least to a referendum on it, not AV that would not alter much,a proper pr system.

However now,I cannot see the Conservative party ever being persuaded to change the voting system ever.
I think their MPs would always vote it down.

I said this earlier,that no on can deny Farage and UKIP played their role in this referendum,I never agreed with their stance but they played their part.
It is now then shocking in my view that the house of commons make up stays the same with all the work and negotiations to be done as to leaving the EU.

On all of it going on with no election held, there will certainly only be a single UKIP party MP with a vote in parliament for all of that going on,if this new PM fails to have an election.

What is now needed is a new election,and I say this again too,even if that means Labour seats do fall to UKIP,Conservative seats fall to UKIP, whether it results in a Conservative majority govt or a Labour led one,or finally a Conservative UKIP coalition govt. 'so be it'

The voters should now be given the right to decide not only who but what make up of govt is elected to see all this through now.

Labour is one of the main parties I hope will come to the idea that pr is the way forward now, all would be in their hands and all other parties hands too to ensure they had the policies that are right for the Country as a whole and also probably more consensus policies too..

The SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens,Lib Dems and UKIP are all parties that could support pr, also the N Irish parties too.
It cannot be permitted that parties can govern as Tony Blair did and Brown with only 35% of the votes cast from 2005 to 2010,then this govt now with 36.8% of the votes cast to govern from 2015 to 2020.

It is now going to be in 2020,19 years since any party got over 40% of the votes cast to govern in a general election, that is to me anyway, and I think should be totally unacceptable now.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually as to that whole post I agree with you, and on the figures,it would have bee more likely to have a Conservative/UKIP coalition, I also agree that would have been considerably better than what we have now.

I am a newer advocate of electoral reform over recent years but have come to the belief it is time, with both major parties, getting easily under 40% of the votes cast now, that it is ridiculous a party can govern unfettered with only around 37% at best of the votes cast in an election.

I think pr would make for better policies,more inclusive govt and far better representative govt too.
Labour have flirted with changing the electoral system but never actually got round to it, although had the Lib Dems tried to do a deal with Labour in 2010,maybe they could have forced their hand more as to it, at least to a referendum on it, not AV that would not alter much,a proper pr system.

However now,I cannot see the Conservative party ever being persuaded to change the voting system ever.
I think their MPs would always vote it down.

I said this earlier,that no on can deny Farage and UKIP played their role in this referendum,I never agreed with their stance but they played their part.
It is now then shocking in my view that the house of commons make up stays the same with all the work and negotiations to be done as to leaving the EU.

On all of it going on with no election held, there will certainly only be a single UKIP party MP with a vote in parliament for all of that going on,if this new PM fails to have an election.

What is now needed is a new election,and I say this again too,even if that means Labour seats do fall to UKIP,Conservative seats fall to UKIP, whether it results in a Conservative majority govt or a Labour led one,or finally a Conservative UKIP coalition govt. 'so be it'

The voters should now be given the right to decide not only who but what make up of govt is elected to see all this through now.

Labour is one of the main parties I hope will come to the idea that pr is the way forward now, all would be in their hands and all other parties hands too to ensure they had the policies that are right for the Country as a whole and also probably more consensus policies too..

The SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens,Lib Dems and UKIP are all parties that could support pr, also the N Irish parties too.
It cannot be permitted that parties can govern as Tony Blair did and Brown with only 35% of the votes cast from 2005 to 2010,then this govt now with 36.8% of the votes cast to govern from 2015 to 2020.

It is now going to be in 2020,19 years since any party got over 40% of the votes cast to govern in a general election, that is to me anyway, and I think should be totally unacceptable now.

A GREAT post Joey.