[Ammi]

Originally Posted by hot2go

It's sad ......people celebrate being thick ...it's a modern trend....even in the office task they promoted the housemate who kicked off and didn't work ...being stupid is rewarded so much that when someone isn't impressed by it that person gets attacked...it's inverted snobbery....Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour not their position in life but they judge him completely on how academic he is.....for all the shouting and drama and puffing out of the chests that some of them do, the person they are most scared of is Andy.
Lateysha says she's got no GCSEs like it something to be proud of, like its something she's not responsible for.....she's wears her Vulger and course personality like a badge of honour ...Andy represents everything they failed at but that's no reason he should feel ashamed of that or should have to sink to their level....he can't bring them to his level, they will only pull him down to theirs, he's waiting his time trying to reason with morons.

..wow, as much as Andy should be proud of his academic acheivements..(whatever they all are..)..I really don't see those lack of academic achievements as any measure of 'failure' in anyone.../they say nothing whatsoever about a person and Lateysha for instance has just as much reason to feel a similar pride to Andy...

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..wow, as much as Andy should be proud of his academic acheivements..(whatever they all are..)..I really don't see those lack of academic achievements as any measure of 'failure' in anyone.../they say nothing whatsoever about a person and Lateysha for instance has just as much reason to feel a similar pride to Andy...

Read my post again. .. I said Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour towards him, not by their position in life...Its THEY who judge Andy by his position in life ... He only measures them by how they treat others, by their lack of self discipline and by the pride they take in being immature and unintelligent. That's where they have failed in comparison to Andy. You are assuming it's about his academic achievements just like they do. Every situation in the house that has made Andy respected on the outside people like Lateysha and Sam have failed by behaving the exact opposite. That's their choices but when those choices blow up in their faces they blame other people for it in this case Andy.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Read my post again. .. I said Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour towards him, not by their position in life...Its THEY who judge Andy by his position in life ... He only measures them by how they treat others, by their lack of self discipline and by the pride they take in being immature and unintelligent. That's where they have failed in comparison to Andy. You are assuming it's about his academic achievements just like they do. Every situation in the house that has made Andy respected on the outside people like Lateysha and Sam have failed by behaving the exact opposite. That's their choices but when those choices blow up in their faces they blame other people for it in this case Andy.

....hmmm, no actually my comments were about 'failure' being attached to lack of academic achievements is all...I didn't comment on how Andy judged people...

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, no actually my comments were about 'failure' being attached to lack of academic achievements is all...I didn't comment on how Andy judged people...

Lateyshas lack of learning is not the failure, it's her lack of wanting to learn and her refusal to listen or learn from the examples placed in front her that are the failure.
She could have learnt from Georgina how to be less Vulger in how she speaks but she didn't.
She could learn from Jason how to have self control when being confronted but instead encouraged Charlie's tirade of abusive.
She could learn from Andy how to be heard without shouting and screaming but instead dismissed the idea and just shouted even louder then before.

She's stupid. And because Andy isn't she judging him for it.

Too busy shouting to ever listen.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Lateyshas lack of learning is not the failure, it's her lack of wanting to learn and her refusal to listen or learn from the examples placed in front her that are the failure.
She could have learnt from Georgina how to be less Vulger in how she speaks but she didn't.
She could learn from Jason how to have self control when being confronted but instead encouraged Charlie's tirade of abusive.
She could learn from Andy how to be heard without shouting and screaming but instead dismissed the idea and just shouted even louder then before.

She's stupid. And because Andy isn't she judging him for it.

Too busy shouting to ever listen.

..I still don't understand how she would be termed as stupid and Andy not by this...so basically being herself and has been herself throughout her time in there and Andy also being himself through his time, so the same really..neither is stupid or more intelligent, just different characters/personalities and just down to us, the viewers, which we find more things we like to see in someone in the context of a gameshow situation...this has no bearing though on the original descriptions of 'celebrating thick', 'morons' or 'failed'....I don't see any lessons that are being learned in the house from any of them, which is mostly the case in all BB's anyway...these would be more things that would be learned in re-visiting and reflecting etc..(and watching back on video..)...so, I don't think that's something of relevance atm...(I don't see Georgina as never having been 'vulgar' in some things that she said about Evelyn..)......but her terminology was spoken in a much more posh accent...terminology though is just words, nothing more and nothing less... it doesn't really tell me much about a person so it's not something I consider very much with someone's character...some very quiet/controlled people can be quite nasty and some very shouty, sweary ones can be quite lovely, I find....

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Lateyshas lack of learning is not the failure, it's her lack of wanting to learn and her refusal to listen or learn from the examples placed in front her that are the failure.
She could have learnt from Georgina how to be less Vulger in how she speaks but she didn't.
She could learn from Jason how to have self control when being confronted but instead encouraged Charlie's tirade of abusive.
She could learn from Andy how to be heard without shouting and screaming but instead dismissed the idea and just shouted even louder then before.

She's stupid. And because Andy isn't she judging him for it.

Too busy shouting to ever listen.

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