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kirklancaster · 07-07-2016, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89

Andy was completely out of line.

His logic about gay marriage being off limits to mocking because campaigners have fought for it is way off. People have fought, not only for it to be able to happen, but to 'normalise' it, in which case if it's as normal as 'straight marriage' then it is equally as open to mocking, and gay people can mock gay marriage as much as straight people can mock straight marriage, because if we have equal marriage rights, then the gay/straight distinction within marriage, shouldn't be relevant. And the fact that Hughie and Ryan were able to mock 'marriage' without people questioning the validity of it based on them both being men, actually highlights the success of those campaigners, because if you want something to be treated as equal, then you have to take the good and the bad, 'the bad' including mocking.
Andy, although I do believe his intentions were good, is the one in this situation whose attitude was offensive to the gay people who campaigned for equal rights, because he's the one who took something that everyone else was treating as normal, and turned it into something that should be looked at and treated differently because it involved gay people.

Another excellent post from you Jamie - one which I totally agree with, except the part which I have emboldened.

I do not personally believe Andy is the nice, benign guy which a lot of members on here seem to think he is, because virtually from day one, I have considered him a very crafty, intelligent game-player, who will do anything to win, and up to now he has played the BB game perfectly.

He has back-stabbed and told tales, and this latest 'faux' outrage from him, and his cynical clutching of the 'Gay Rights' banner, over a bit of harmless fun from Hughie and Ryan, is yet just another example of cunning Andy exploiting a situation to enamour himself with the viewers.

Andy is THE most devious of a house crammed with devious people, but he is - probably - the most convincing actor.

Ellen · 07-07-2016, 06:50 AM

Although i do think Andy was a bit OTT i can understand him not been happy at them taking the p out of his engagement to Ed and thats basically what it was. They chose Andy who Hughie has an issue with as seen only a couple of days ago so it looked like another chance to have a go. Some people dont like been ridiculed even if in pretend jest.

kirklancaster · 07-07-2016, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellen

Although i do think Andy was a bit OTT i can understand him not been happy at them taking the p out of his engagement to Ed and thats basically what it was. They chose Andy who Hughie has an issue with as seen only a couple of days ago so it looked like another chance to have a go. Some people dont like been ridiculed even if in pretend jest.

I just think that the whole 'engagement' proposal from Ed to Andy was opportunistic fakery - like those idiots who cannot spell the word 'CAT' going down on one knee on Jeremy Kyle.

Santa's NaughtiNess · 07-07-2016, 06:56 AM

It was just a joke, fgs ! I doubt Hughie and Ryan were mocking Andy. Now they can't have a laugh in there without someone getting offended

Ammi · 07-07-2016, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellen

Although i do think Andy was a bit OTT i can understand him not been happy at them taking the p out of his engagement to Ed and thats basically what it was. They chose Andy who Hughie has an issue with as seen only a couple of days ago so it looked like another chance to have a go. Some people dont like been ridiculed even if in pretend jest.

...hmmm yeah, the same could be said of Andy's 'pretend jest' of not being keen on his engagement ring though, Ellen...(I'm assuming he was joking as it would be a very harsh/insensitive thing to say..)..so a thing said in jest of something with such meaningful representation ...so he's therefore making up the rules according to Andy in terms of what's 'allowable'../ in ok taste and what isn't...(which is essentially being completely judgemental of others which is often how he's projecting himself..)...

Ellen · 07-07-2016, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmm yeah, the same could be said of Andy's 'pretend jest' of not being keen on his engagement ring though, Ellen...(I'm assuming he was joking as it would be a very harsh/insensitive thing to say..)..so a thing said in jest of something with such meaningful representation ...so he's therefore making up the rules according to Andy in terms of what's 'allowable'../ in ok taste and what isn't...(which is essentially being completely judgemental of others which is often how he's projecting himself..)...

Yeah that was not nice if he meant it, he prob did!

We can all be like that though cant we, find something funny but when its done to us its not so....
I think a lot had to do with who was doing the joking tbh

mizzy25 · 07-07-2016, 07:55 AM

Andy went way over the top. I doubt Hughie or Ryan knew gays did actually get stoned to death in this day and age. there only early 20s so prob pay no attention to news, I know I didn't when I was that age. However Hughie is a bisexual, Irish, Traveller so Im pretty sure he knows prejudice more than anyone else about his sexuality. Andy was just trying to hard to get the gay vote IMO

Patricia4 · 07-07-2016, 08:18 AM

I'm with Andy on this Hughie and Ryan were taking the pi** out of him.

Chero · 07-07-2016, 09:44 AM

I think that Andy had a valid point, but he way overreacted. Hughie had a valid point as well, but he way overreacted. I can relate to Andy more than the other housemates (even though I'm a hetero woman), but it's more because I don't think quite the same as other people sometimes. He makes a lot of social mistakes, but his thinking is rational, if you know what I mean. I think it's an introvert thing, tbh.

Cal. · 07-07-2016, 10:28 AM

Hughie and Ryan

Robertocarlo · 07-07-2016, 10:39 AM

Sorry but I think Andy was right. Hughie needs to stop shouting and getting argumentative he's making himself look foolish not Andy.

Jan S · 07-07-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jet

Yes, he's so boring that he has us talking about him at 4am in the morning and is often the main topic of discussion around here. I haven't heard anyone say he has an amazing sense of great judgement or wisdom, as you proclaim. We that like him say he has his own principles and he is often socially awkward. He's a normal enough, flawed but kind enough soul who is more like the kind of HM you would get in the days when BB was about the diversity of the man in the street and not about dim witted attention seeking fame*****s who flaunt themselves about mindlessly half naked and having sex while looking to see if the camera is catching the moment. Not about fake tans and fake boobs and who can shout the loudest and be the most dramatic in the DR by practically having a put - on nervous breakdown.
He's causing drama but not in the old hat anything - goes ways of recent times. He's refreshingly different and that's why we think he's a great HM. He doesn't have to have a showmance, screech like a banshee, walk around shirtless, or be Mr. Nice Guy who makes it to the end by doing fuke all. He just has to be Andy.

Shaun · 07-07-2016, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Sorry but I think Andy was right. Hughie needs to stop shouting and getting argumentative he's making himself look foolish not Andy.

Pretty sure it was Andy who started shouting "STONED TO DEATH!! STONED!!!" first but ok

Rustic bauble · 07-07-2016, 11:21 AM

It was a pathetic argument all round. Andy was wrong to make it into what it was but it was really about him and his proposal.
Ryan and Hughie are a very immature pathetic couple...their immature joke appeared to mock Andys engagement... I felt for Andy but he over reacted and should have let it play out then have a word with the two dickheads.

Epic. · 30-07-2017, 04:19 PM

I'm rewatching BB17 and i've finally reached this problematic ****e once again. Needless to say Andy was being a grade A twat, regardless how funny it was

Greg! · 30-07-2017, 04:20 PM

God this has given me war flashbacks. I DETESTED Andy with every fibre in my body (still do tbh).

Dominic · 30-07-2017, 04:21 PM

anyways Andy is an underrated king and him constantly dragging Ryan/Hughie >>>>

Ignore my 2016 vote

Epic. · 30-07-2017, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

anyways Andy is an underrated king and him constantly dragging Ryan/Hughie >>>>

Ignore my 2016 vote

Hardly dragging when he made a right tit of himself and borderline homophobic about it "You can't joke about it because it's been fought for generations!!"