[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And some of them deserve more fans than others

i loved emma....same can be said of any HM ....how does andy have

fans when he is such a smart arse thinking he is cleverer than others

i'm proud of emma we need more climbers etc

Mark L

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Jack uses the logic that thhe biggest/loudest **** / takes up most the airtime is the best housemate. And I get it tbf, I can see why that makes sense to him. I just dont get why he doesnt understand that others dont like to watch it that way..

I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around (I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around m(I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum

I agree with that

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Josy

Am I the only one that's glad of the producers doing this? If u go into bb and try breaking out you should be out end of. It's along the same lines of the ones crying in the DR about leaving they should just open the door and say right go.no ****ing about.

Agree.
There should be a button in the house. If you press this button no matter how upset/pissed you are then you are gone.
I'm tired of this walking out crap. Go if you want to go

[Jake.]

I'm glad in the respect that housemates constantly escaping is a pisstake

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I do understand why others don't and have said it on many occasions, the fact I judge houseguests on BBUS and Can mainly on who I like as people should tell you that (in a strange way it's also quite liberating), but I still think it's a detrimental thought process to the success of a show we all claim to be a fan of

Everyone is welcome to judge housemates how they wish, and I'm obviously not going to turn anyone's opinion around (I am now a minority compared to a majority several years ago), but I'm also welcome to question the reasons some housemates are popular and say that I think it's bad for the show. The two don't cancel each other out, that is simply the point of a forum

I dont think its detrimental at all, the show has improved week on week for me as the biggest twat left each time. Emma was great fun to watch, fun in the conventional sense, not fun as in shouts a lot and pisses housemates off. she'll be much more missed than Marco/Natalie/Georgina for that reason.

A lot of your posts have an undertone of 'my favourite is better than your facourite cus my favourite is louder and takes up more airtime' but nah, if the airtime somebody takes up pisses me off, that would make them a bad housemate, not a good one.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Contribution is subjective. Just because someone dominates the highlights doesn't mean they're adding to the series in a positive way. Emma modelling the pens was funnier to me than anything a big "entertaining" character has done this series.

Contribution itself is objective, the quality of contribution is subjective

The point is that those who are contributing incite discussion on forums, social media and in real life. Discussion creates attention and attention leads to more success for the series, that's it. No one is going to hear about Emma talking about ~negative energy~ and decide to discuss it with someone or indeed watch the show for it, Andy starting an argument over gay rights for a clear joke on the other hand - probably

I was agreeing with you more than we have for years before I went on holiday, I come back and all your opinions have changed...what happened

[Denver]

people complain they dont get strict with rule breakers but cry when one of their faves break the rules and is punished

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont think its detrimental at all, the show has improved week on week for me as the biggest twat left each time. Emma was great fun to watch, fun in the conventional sense, not fun as in shouts a lot and pisses housemates off. she'll be much more missed than Marco/Natalie/Georgina for that reason.

A lot of your posts have an undertone of 'my favourite is better than your facourite cus my favourite is louder and takes up more airtime' but nah, if the airtime somebody takes up pisses me off, that would make them a bad housemate, not a good one.

Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it

Don't equate loud with good cause that's one of my pet hates, I have plenty of favourites who are the opposite of loud but of course I think my favourites are better, they're my damn favourites! What you and most viewers do though is think about what is best for your personal enjoyment of the show rather than what is best for the collective, and that's fine and a common 'obvious' way to think but it's also counterproductive to the success of a show you're claiming to be a fan of. A housemate may be annoying you, but is is far better that people have opinions on them and are talking about them than not!

[fitz2k2]

so what if jackson decide to storm out.Ch5 will def bring him back,

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Adam.

people complain they dont get strict with rule breakers but cry when one of their faves break the rules and is punished

emma was my only fave.....and i have no complaint

Mark L

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it

Don't equate loud with good cause that's one of my pet hates, I have plenty of favourites who are the opposite of loud but of course I think my favourites are better, they're my damn favourites! What you and most viewers do though is think about what is best for your personal enjoyment of the show rather than what is best for the collective, and that's fine and a common 'obvious' way to think but it's also counterproductive to the success of a show you're claiming to be a fan of. A housemate may be annoying you, but is is far better that people have opinions on them and are talking about them than not!

But this is exactly what youre doing, you completely understamd that youre the minority who likes the gob****es yet you want them in.. Thinking about your personal enjoyment is exactly what you are doing.. Exactly what everyone does and then theres a common vote for the most popular opinion..

If you had it your way, the three evictees and probably Andrew would still be there
That would be a ****ing migraine.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ross.

I'm declaring today a national day of mourning, we will never forget Emma!

Who Ross? Who is Emma?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

But this is exactly what youre doing, you completely understamd that youre the minority who likes the gob****es yet you want them in.. Thinking about your personal enjoyment is exactly what you are doing.. Exactly what everyone does and then theres a common vote for the most popular opinion..

If you had it your way, the three evictees and probably Andrew would still be there
That would be a ****ing migraine.

No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?

[Xtopher]

& I'm officially sad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

good riddance to the fake plastic boring cow

[Xtopher]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Atleast our Em is getting her wish to be destroyed tonight

Get smashed.

[hot2go]

She pressed that button again to ensure her and Josh could be the next celebrity couple.

So she needs to get out straight away so they can capitalise on it.
BB are now surplus to requirements.

I think the old Mother Theresa routine has run its course.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?

You're saying that the housemates you support are the ones you believe would be the best fo the series?
Even though there are opinion polls which show that those are the people that fans can not bare watching?
Youre just presuming fans dont know what they want but you know what they want
None of this makes sense.

People like Emma but shes a bad housemate cus youre presuming shes not beneficial to the show because fans dont really wanna watch her, theyd rather watch Marco and youre basin that on the fact that its what you believe to be true regardless of opinion polls which say differently?

That makes no sense. You need a sit down!

[sungrass]

ITS CALLED KARMA beatch!!!

She choose to spend too nights with her fella - when as a new age hippie she should not have been so selfish!!!

And now she is with him all the time

INSTANT KARMA's gonna get you!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This kinda puts me on edge a bit, knowing they could just eject one of your faves with some BS reason whenever they like

No
she wants his Cock


So its Break out time

Kept doing it
So Ejection - normal.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?

I agree completly with you...and I am the same..I think all 3 of the previous evictees were good for the show even though I didn't like all of them so much...I think Ryan and Hughie are good housemates but I can't stand em. I thinks Jayne is a good housemate but I really disagree with her past. And I think Alex is prob a nice guy but he should be evicted.

It's a concept not many people believe when it's said but in my case it's true.

[Daniel.]

I think the thing is for me Jack is that you don't seem to get that some people don't think people like Marc (example) are good for the show, in fact they actively take away because there such domineering unpleasant characters and make people switch off rather than tune in. (I haven't read the rest of this thread so ignore this if it's been asked).

[JTM45]

Before anyone took a single one of Jack's posts seriously you should have noted that he has 'Gemma Collins' listed as his BB17 Favourite (and he still enjoys Nikki Graham's Big Brother residency!).

He's not like normal BB viewers. He watches it 'conceptually'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she showed herself to be a vile selfish cow completely at odds with her crafted fake mother earth image

a vile bitch