[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it

Don't equate loud with good cause that's one of my pet hates, I have plenty of favourites who are the opposite of loud but of course I think my favourites are better, they're my damn favourites! What you and most viewers do though is think about what is best for your personal enjoyment of the show rather than what is best for the collective, and that's fine and a common 'obvious' way to think but it's also counterproductive to the success of a show you're claiming to be a fan of. A housemate may be annoying you, but is is far better that people have opinions on them and are talking about them than not!

But this is exactly what youre doing, you completely understamd that youre the minority who likes the gob****es yet you want them in.. Thinking about your personal enjoyment is exactly what you are doing.. Exactly what everyone does and then theres a common vote for the most popular opinion..

If you had it your way, the three evictees and probably Andrew would still be there
That would be a ****ing migraine.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

But this is exactly what youre doing, you completely understamd that youre the minority who likes the gob****es yet you want them in.. Thinking about your personal enjoyment is exactly what you are doing.. Exactly what everyone does and then theres a common vote for the most popular opinion..

If you had it your way, the three evictees and probably Andrew would still be there
That would be a ****ing migraine.

No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?

You're saying that the housemates you support are the ones you believe would be the best fo the series?
Even though there are opinion polls which show that those are the people that fans can not bare watching?
Youre just presuming fans dont know what they want but you know what they want
None of this makes sense.

People like Emma but shes a bad housemate cus youre presuming shes not beneficial to the show because fans dont really wanna watch her, theyd rather watch Marco and youre basin that on the fact that its what you believe to be true regardless of opinion polls which say differently?

That makes no sense. You need a sit down!

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?

I agree completly with you...and I am the same..I think all 3 of the previous evictees were good for the show even though I didn't like all of them so much...I think Ryan and Hughie are good housemates but I can't stand em. I thinks Jayne is a good housemate but I really disagree with her past. And I think Alex is prob a nice guy but he should be evicted.

It's a concept not many people believe when it's said but in my case it's true.

[MarcusMel]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it isn't, I'm thinking about what's best for the series itself. If I thought what was best for me then my favourites would be completely different and more along the lines of who I support in the US and Canada. I support housemates in the UK based on the objective contribution they are offering to the series since those housemates are the ones sparking discussions and drawing attention to the show and thus they need to stay for the success of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less. If anything I'm doing y'all a favour

As a side note I understand I'm the minority but rewind a few years and I was part of a majority who thought like this, I honestly don't know what happened but I've watched things fall by the wayside on this forum over the years and now it's only me and a few others who are holding the fort while many others who once agreed have now turned to the dark side tragic, but what can you do?

To keep the ones you speak of in the house would be saying that the general masses approve of their behaviour. Not sure how much influence these thing have on general social behaviour but to approve of bad behaviour for the sake of entertainment would be having little children everywhere having tantrums and telling decent people to *******off.

So the question is are you really seeing the the bigger long-term picture of is it really all just about entertainment and rewarding and only geting to choose a winner from the worst of the worst?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MarcusMel

To keep the ones you speak of in the house would be saying that the general masses approve of their behaviour. Not sure how much influence these thing have on general social behaviour but to approve of bad behaviour for the sake of entertainment would be having little children everywhere having tantrums and telling decent people to *******off.

So the question is are you really seeing the the bigger long-term picture of is it really all just about entertainment and rewarding and only geting to choose a winner from the worst of the worst?

I'll answer that one for you: none at all. Big Brother is trash television airing on a trash television channel. Anyone seriously looking towards it for moral guidance as if it's culturally relevant needs to reassess their priorities.

Big Brother is not a charity, nor is it a morality competition. What happens inside the confines of a glorified television set - the content of which we watch for 48 minutes a night - has no bearing on the outside world, what anyone stands for, or what is and isn't acceptable. Nor does who wins. It isn't real life. People don't need to be 'rewarded', it is an entertainment gameshow and the person that wins the cash prize that goes along with it should be the person who has contributed the most to the series, as they have been one of if not the one who has sustained it throughout. We would not have a show without them.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'll answer that one for you: none at all. Big Brother is trash television airing on a trash television channel. Anyone seriously looking towards it for moral guidance as if it's culturally relevant needs to reassess their priorities.

Big Brother is not a charity, nor is it a morality competition. What happens inside the confines of a glorified television set - the content of which we watch for 48 minutes a night - has no bearing on the outside world, what anyone stands for, or what is and isn't acceptable. Nor does who wins. It isn't real life. People don't need to be 'rewarded', it is an entertainment gameshow and the person that wins the cash prize that goes along with it should be the person who has contributed the most to the series, as they have been one of if not the one who has sustained it throughout. We would not have a show without them.

I really think many people watch for different reasons than you. That said, Big Brother is a personality contest at core. People are going to vote out the personalities they want to see go the most. The game you're talking about is more agnostic and simply can't exist in a VTE situation.

I also think some people, perhaps yourself, overestimate the power of this forum here as being closely representative of the voting public. We are more effective at popularizing the show rather than taking it down by ****ty reasoning by way of votes especially with forums being niche these days. Truthfully, most voters are probably unconnected and limited to a shorter range social media (things like Twitter, FB, etc). This is why when we poll the public in elections, we have to be careful how we screen them through questions because the reasons people vote are myriad.

I agree with you in general that voting out all the characters so early on does limit the amount of controversy in that household, therefore making it easier for certain characters to coast to the final. I usually prefer VTS in CBB for that very reason. With exception to Marco (he was a 24/7 freakshow, sorry, not a character at all 100% rancid sewer water). I did not like seeing Natalie and Georgina go so soon. I'm just one voice out of many though and can't vote since I'm out of country.