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Old 07-07-2016, 12:27 PM #51
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By using such heavy words and bringing up history, "stoned to death", "thrown off buildings", he knew what he was doing. He knows by saying this, none of the other HMs would be "against" him due to the severity of his comparisons. If they thought he was being ridiculous, they'd be scared to say in the likelihood they thought they'd come across as homophobic.

Clever from sneaky Andy. Had Andy not used those phrases, more people would have disagreed with him. He knew what he was doing.
I dont agree - I think Andy lost his cool and composure - I think he regrets saying what he did, he knows he took it too far - whereas the other housemates raise their voices and shout when they are angry - Andy uses words and as a news presenter he has probably had to report on these stonings and other awful things -

I know it was serious - far too serious for big brother - I agree we havent seen all the footage - I like Hugie and Ryan and Andy the most!

I do feel sorry for Andy - its very difficult for him, he is in a house full of Numpties and he is quite an intelligent man - he has just got engaged - I bet he feels like Gulliver amoungst the yahoo's and he lost it.

I forgive him. I hope he lightens up a bit - there is no way he deserves to be the least favourite HM especially over Chelsea!!
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this is happening throughout the world as we speak

it was only about 50 years back in britain that people could still be put in prison JUST FOR BEING GAY!

some countries have taken steps backwards recently in their treatment of gays - russia especially, but even more countries are still extremely anti-gay due to strong religious perspectives, like a whole lot of the african continent, parts of deep-south america, huge swathes of the middle-east, and brazil which is currently suffering a huge epidemic of anti-gay violence. the fight is everyday, lives are lost to the violence of others, lives are lost to suicide where a person feels death is better than living as they are forced to - in fear that being themselves means torment, attack, and frequently worse.

in this country, gay rights and acceptance has moved forward so well so fast that many of the younger gay/trans/other-identifying gender population are ABLE to live life without fear of harm or shame. it's not wrong to want that same lifestyle for people globally.


again, not so 'very far back' at all. though legally, the sentence for sodomy/buggery was changed from death by hanging to life imprisonment back in 1861, it wasn't until 1967 that it was decriminalised between consenting adults in britain. and just because jurisdiction says it's okay, there are still murders and attacks that happen on our streets on a regular basis just because someone is, or is thought to be, gay.

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Damilola Taylor was attacked by a local gang of youths on 27 November 2000 in Peckham, south London; he bled to death after being stabbed with a broken bottle in the thigh, which severed the femoral artery. The BBC, Telegraph, Guardian and Independent newspapers reported at the time that during the weeks between arriving in the UK from Nigeria and the attack he had been subjected to bullying and beating, which included homophobic remarks by a group of boys at his school. "The bullies told him that he was gay."[22] He "may not have understood why he was being bullied at school, or why some other children taunted him about being 'gay' – the word meant nothing to him."[23] He had to ask his mother what 'gay' meant, she said "Boys were swearing at him, saying lots of horrible words. They were calling him names."[23] His mother had spoken about this bullying, but the teachers failed to take it seriously. "She said pupils had accused her son of being gay and had beaten him last Friday."[24] Six months after the murder, his father said, "I spoke to him and he was crying that he was being bullied and being called names. He was being called 'gay'."[25] In the New Statesman two years later, when there had still been no convictions for the crime, Peter Tatchell, gay human rights campaigner, said, "In the days leading up to his murder in south London in November 2000, he was subjected to vicious homophobic abuse and assaults,"[26] and asked why the authorities had ignored this before and after his death.

In July 2005, Lauren Harries, a transwoman, was attacked along with her father and brother in their home in Cardiff by eight youths who shouted the word "******" while beating their victims. One youth pleaded guilty to inflicting grievous bodily harm and was sentenced to two years probation; his accomplices were not formally identified or charged.[27][28]

In April 2006 a man was jailed for a homophobic attack on an openly gay Anglican priest. Rev Dr Barry Rathbone was sitting in a park in Bournemouth, Dorset when Martin Powell and his girlfriend approached and spoke to him. Rathbone informed them that it was a cruising area, then Powell produced a 3-foot-long (0.91 m) metal baseball bat, called him a 'queer', and started to hit him.[29]

On 25 July 2008, 18-year-old Michael Causer was attacked by a group of men at a party in Liverpool, and died from his injuries. It is alleged that he was killed because he was gay.[30] On 23 October 2008, 23-year-old gay hairdresser Daniel Jenkinson was the victim of a homophobic attack in a Preston club. His attacker, Neil Bibby, also from Preston, was sentenced to 200 hours' unpaid work, a three-month weekend curfew, and ordered to pay £2,000 compensation after he pleaded guilty to assault. Daniel needed facial reconstruction surgery after the attack, and said he was too scared to go out in the city.[31]

On 3 March 2009 in Bromley, south London, UK, 59-year-old Gerry Edwards was stabbed to death by an assailant shouting homophobic abuse. His partner of over twenty years, 56-year-old Chris Bevan, was also stabbed and admitted to hospital in a critical condition.[32][33] The police dealing with the case said they had an open mind, but were treating it as a homophobic murder. Two men were subsequently arrested.[34]

On 15 May 2009, An English court found two football fans guilty of shouting homophobic chants at footballer Sol Campbell during a match [35] This was the first prosecution for indecent chanting in the UK.[36] The police reported that up to 2,500 fans shouted chants at the match that included "Sol, Sol, wherever you may be, Not long now until lunacy, We won't give a **** if you are hanging from a tree," the footballer commented "I felt totally victimised and helpless by the abuse I received on this day. It has had an effect on me personally".[36] Three men and two boys were given cautions after the match.[36]

In September 2009, 62-year-old Ian Baynham was attacked outside South Africa House in Trafalgar Square in London by three youths shouting homophobic abuse.[37] Joel Alexander and Ruby Thomas were found guilty of manslaughter at the Old Bailey and sentenced to six and seven years imprisonment respectively. A third accomplice, Rachael Burke was found guilty of a lesser charge of affray and sentenced to two years of imprisonment.[38]
2010 – present

In 2012, Giovanna Del Nord, a 46-year-old trans woman, was attacked minutes after entering The Market Tavern, a pub in Leicester City Centre.[39] Without warning she was punched in the head and knocked unconscious.[40]

In June 2012, Steven Simpson, an autistic, openly gay 18-year-old, had homophobic slurs written on his body and was set on fire at his birthday party by Jordan Sheard, 20, who was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in jail in March 2013

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Thanks for posting that Jan. These are the sort of atrocities that Andy writes about and fights against in real life, while many of us just read it and shake our heads at the horror of it all. Fair play to him for trying to do something about it. He can't leave a passion like that at the door of BB when he enters the house, it must be always with him.
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"Trying to do something about it" - what, like talk about it on Big Brother? Lmao he doesn't need to write, he's having all of his martyrdom done for him by his fans.
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"Trying to do something about it" - what, like talk about it on Big Brother? Lmao he doesn't need to write, he's having all of his martyrdom done for him by his fans.
No, by what he does in his real life, writing and campaigning and losing his job over his beliefs. Most of us leave it to others, he doesn't. Surely you can give him credit for that.
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35 years ago it was illegal for gay men to have sex before the age of 21 but straight guys could have sex at 16. You could go to war and kill a man but you could not go to bed and love one. At the height of the AIDS epidemic Mrs Thatcher introduced Clause 28 forbidding the mention of gay lifestyles across every school and public place of teaching in the country, she made being gay a dirty word. One of her Tory back benchers proposed gay people shud be gassed to rid the world of their self made disease. Tory newspapers ran jokes about it...." I've got bad news and good news, the bad news is I am gay, the good news is I have AIDS " Ronald Reagan pulled the plug on any public support of the gay community and Thatcher backed him. Meanwhile medical companies were making billions for the USA and themselves by abusing victims with lies and fake miracle cures and using them as Guinea pigs until most of them died, not from the disease but from the side affects of experimental drugs....the only gay guys affected by the disease back then and still living today are the ones who refused to take the drugs in the 1980s because they didn't trust the government and the drug companies.
Wasn't until 1999 that a diversity law was put in place to protect gay people from discrimination in the work place, before that it was professional suicide to tell people at work that you were gay.
1981 and 1999 may seem like Jurassic times to younger people but for people who are old enough to remember it seems like yesterday. So of course some of people find Ryan and Hughies trivial care free life style and their lack of knowledge about why they have it, irritating sometimes, especially when it's being used to confront and poke fun at someone who respects what the cost of that freedom was for so many people.
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I'm with you Jan on this one....all the way....I've not cut a paste cause it's a big post but it's a very stark reminder of some of the awful things we've seen even since the 2000s came in.
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am I the only one that thinks andy's engagement on tv would have put more people at risk of stoning etc than hughie and ryans joke ever would?
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am I the only one that thinks andy's engagement on tv would have put more people at risk of stoning etc than hughie and ryans joke ever would?
What a superficial and horrible thing to say. You must take the persecution of gay people very lightly.
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am I the only one that thinks andy's engagement on tv would have put more people at risk of stoning etc than hughie and ryans joke ever would?
No one was contributing to the stoning of people in other countries...it was a very simple case of Ryan and Hughie thumbing their nose at Andys engagement and sending it up so they could diminish it in front of the viewers and the other housemates. It was disrespectful and confrontational but unlike the last time Hughie did that and no one supported Andy, this time Andy made sure they couldn't ignore it. He backed them into a corner where no one was gonna support them, he flipped it on its head. Clever.
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What a superficial and horrible thing to say. You must take the persecution of gay people very lightly.
not at all, but i cant see how 2 people joking around can cause issues for people compared to two people actually getting engaged on tv...

I actually take the persecution of any person very seriously indeed.
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not at all, but i cant see how 2 people joking around can cause issues for people compared to two people actually getting engaged on tv...

I actually take the persecution of any person very seriously indeed.
I take that back then. I thought you were dissing Andy and Ed's engagement but I understand what you mean now.
Neither scenario would bother me, but I'm not Andy. He feels how he feels.
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I take that back then. I thought you were dissing Andy and Ed's engagement but I understand what you mean now.
Neither scenario would bother me, but I'm not Andy. He feels how he feels.


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No one was contributing to the stoning of people in other countries...it was a very simple case of Ryan and Hughie thumbing their nose at Andys engagement and sending it up so they could diminish it in front of the viewers and the other housemates. It was disrespectful and confrontational but unlike the last time Hughie did that and no one supported Andy, this time Andy made sure they couldn't ignore it. He backed them into a corner where no one was gonna support them, he flipped it on its head. Clever.
It would have been clever if he had maybe refrained from the character annihilation of hughie in the diary room, or his refusal to back down on something that he was obviously so over the top and wrong about.
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It would have been clever if he had maybe refrained from the character annihilation of hughie in the diary room, or his refusal to back down on something that he was obviously so over the top and wrong about.
I like Andy, but he overreacted. Hughie and Ryan were only messing around. I don't think they did it to upset Andy.
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It would have been clever if he had maybe refrained from the character annihilation of hughie in the diary room, or his refusal to back down on something that he was obviously so over the top and wrong about.
Back down about someone who had tried to make a mockery of him for airtime for getting engaged to the man he loves - someone who had harassed him days earlier?
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they are stoning gays and throwing them off buildings in Blackpool and feeding them to dragons in Bognor

wont someone think of the gays?
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Hughie and Ryan were talking in the stone room about their relationship....and about taking it to the next level of being b/f and b/f ....this no doubt lead them to come up with the joke as regards getting engaged. There was no evidence of any malice or raining on Andys parade shown so its really all speculation as to whether they did it maliciously.

To me Andy was being over sensitive and his dislike of the two guys just enhanced this.

And in other parts of the world people are still being stoned and thrown from buildings for being gay...
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Hughie and Ryan were talking in the stone room about their relationship....and about taking it to the next level of being b/f and b/f ....this no doubt lead them to come up with the joke as regards getting engaged. There was no evidence of any malice or raining on Andys parade shown so its really all speculation as to whether they did it maliciously.

To me Andy was being over sensitive and his dislike of the two guys just enhanced this.

And in other parts of the world people are still being stoned and thrown from buildings for being gay...
Yes, i think they do like each other, but the engagement was clearly a joke. This has made me like Hughie more and Andy less. Because Andy overreacted big time.
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Why?
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Exactly....and no, I wouldn't back down...in fact I would Rev it up to top gear and I hope he continues to do just that.

And anyway, Hughie fans should be happy about it....it means Hughie has got a new sparring partner...since Natalie left his fans have been hitting the ground faster than Emma hits the button marked ME ME ME.

Andy is doing him a favour.
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Exactly....and no, I wouldn't back down...in fact I would Rev it up to top gear and I hope he continues to do just that.

And anyway, Hughie fans should be happy about it....it means Hughie has got a new sparring partner...since Natalie left his fans have been hitting the ground faster than Emma hits the button marked ME ME ME.

Andy is doing him a favour.
This may not e good for Andy if he's up for eviction
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Back down about someone who had tried to make a mockery of him for airtime for getting engaged to the man he loves - someone who had harassed him days earlier?
Why?
Would you?
can you prove they were trying to make a mockery of his engagement?


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I can't help liking Hughie. He's such a fiesty little thing And he always stands up for himself. Like Andy as well, but he overreacted last night.
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Well I was thinking that but last night on BOTS when Rylan asked each member of the audience who they wanna see out only one person said Andy.
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Well I was thinking that but last night on BOTS when Rylan asked each member of the audience who they wanna see out only one person said Andy.
I think he may be in danger. Not Andy doing a Halfwit
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I can't help liking Hughie. He's such a fiesty little thing And he always stands up for himself. Like Andy as well, but he overreacted last night.
you would think andy would be championing hughie for the amount of persecution he will have faced in life what with being gay and a traveller..he will have had it from all sides...homophobes for being gay..just about everyone for being a traveller...and from the travellers themselves for being gay...

poor poor andy can't put his jealousy and hate for anyone stealing his thunder to one side for one second.

Even his bf thinks hughie is ok.
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