[minny03]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Georgina's eviction week definitely wasn't as good as Natalie's, this series is a bit up and down but the quality has been good, just to varying levels. All that is though is proof that if you pick a cast with few duds (even Alex and Sam have had their moments) it will deliver

But in a general sense it is most definitely detrimental to the overall, objective success of the show. Evict a housemate who is the star of the series and creating lots of discussion and it is going to suffer since all of that discussion is wiped out and they're no longer around to provoke things happening. Now the argument that succeeds this is always 'yeah but then we see other housemates!' and I just think that's silly, because effectively you're evicting a housemate you know is contributing on the gamble that someone else may or may not step up to the plate, and 90% of the time they do not (this series is a notable exception because of the aforementioned good cast) so it's a pointless decision which has a negative affect on the series. There are also instances where it negatively affects ratings too, I'm not making this up - there's proof of it

Exactly! I agree with this entire post, especially with the bolded part. I have always felt this way. Marco and Natalie may have annoyed me at times, but they both brought a lot to the show. The same goes with Georgina. They generated a lot of discussion and contributed to many of the story lines.

So unfortunately, whenever a big character is evicted, then BAM! It impacts everything! It means that a long host of potential/developing/interesting/intriguing/dynamic story lines go straight out the window in one large swoop - and that completely brings down the momentum and overall quality of the program.

Its foolish to act like huge personalities like Marco, Georgina, and Natalie leaving early do not hurt the show. I don't know why people don't understand this.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

The initial discussion made zero sense, you completely contradicted yourself whilst being blissfully unaware, which is pretty out of character for you because your posts usually make you out to be a pretty smart guy.

I can summarise your points to make it clearer why a lot of people on this thread have been confused by your logic

You want the show to be better by keeping the housemates that the majority dislike in
Illogical
You believe people dont know what they want to watch and only you know what they want to watch, so opinion polls are useless because they dont coinside with yours
Stupid and conceited
You believe your opinion trumps all elses, making it not much of a discussion at all, just a belittling egotist really
You usually come off better than this, today your posts were dumb.

Please refer me to the part of the discussion where I contradicted myself?

It isn't illogical, because if you'd paid attention to any of the arguments I'd presented you'd have noticed I kept repeating that housemates who are disliked are better than housemates people have no opinion on since shows like these thrive off of discussion - nobody is going to talk about a housemate that has little impact on anyone. As the saying goes, all publicity is good publicity and it doesn't matter whether people dislike certain housemates, that is a GOOD thing. People love to hate and housemates who incite discussion and opinions are beneficial to the show. Discussion equals attention and attention equals a successful series.

They don't know what they want to watch! You only need to sit back and observe this forum, other forums and social media to see the inevitable go down every series. A housemate that is divisive and domineering is chastised and people demand they are evicted, rinse and repeat for several weeks. These same people then complain the series is boring! It's like turkeys voting for Christmas, the majority of viewers watch the show through a subjective lens caring only about housemates they like as people (which is an entirely different discussion altogether that we won't go near). The problem is that if everybody does that, no one is thinking about the overall quality of the show! The majority of viewers are praising this series and a lot of that has to do with what has gone down, now it's all fine and dandy having opinions on who is right and wrong in arguments etc but once you start wanting people who are involved in the events that you think are making this series so good to be evicted - you are destroying it! You can't have an opinion on future incidents if said housemates aren't there to cause one can you? I'm going off on a tangent here but to add to all of this: there have been instances throughout BBUK's history where ratings have declined when a big character have been evicted, so I'm not making this up. People don't know what is best for the overall quality of the series

Of course I think my opinion trumps all else: it. is. my. ****ing. opinion. I've seen some idiotic things written on here in my eight years of membership but this criticism being bandied around all the time in different threads and to different members really is one of the worst of them all. It isn't much of an opinion if you don't believe it to be correct! It should go without saying that every post I type out on a discussion forum is my own opinion, I don't need to add the pointless 'IMO' to every one of them. The point of a forum is for you to post your opinion and debate with others why you think yours is right and theirs is wrong, otherwise what exactly is the point in us being here if we're all just going to concede 'yeah well that's my opinion and yours is yours so'...we may as well not post them and just keep our views to ourselves?

Originally Posted by minny03

Exactly! I agree with this entire post, especially with the bolded part. I have always felt this way. Marco and Natalie may have annoyed me at times, but they both brought a lot to the show. The same goes with Georgina. They generated a lot of discussion and contributed to many of the story lines.

So unfortunately, whenever a big character is evicted, then BAM! It impacts everything! It means that a long host of potential/developing/interesting/intriguing/dynamic story lines go straight out the window in one large swoop - and that completely brings down the momentum and overall quality of the program.

Its foolish to act like huge personalities like Marco, Georgina, and Natalie leaving early do not hurt the show. I don't know why people don't understand this.

With every person who posts something like this, my faith in this forums taste and sensibility is restored so thank you

I agree with every word you've said.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Please refer me to the part of the discussion where I contradicted myself?

It isn't illogical, because if you'd paid attention to any of the arguments I'd presented you'd have noticed I kept repeating that housemates who are disliked are better than housemates people have no opinion on since shows like these thrive off of discussion - nobody is going to talk about a housemate that has little impact on anyone. As the saying goes, all publicity is good publicity and it doesn't matter whether people dislike certain housemates, that is a GOOD thing. People love to hate and housemates who incite discussion and opinions are beneficial to the show. Discussion equals attention and attention equals a successful series.

They don't know what they want to watch! You only need to sit back and observe this forum, other forums and social media to see the inevitable go down every series. A housemate that is divisive and domineering is chastised and people demand they are evicted, rinse and repeat for several weeks. These same people then complain the series is boring! It's like turkeys voting for Christmas, the majority of viewers watch the show through a subjective lens caring only about housemates they like as people (which is an entirely different discussion altogether that we won't go near). The problem is that if everybody does that, no one is thinking about the overall quality of the show! The majority of viewers are praising this series and a lot of that has to do with what has gone down, now it's all fine and dandy having opinions on who is right and wrong in arguments etc but once you start wanting people who are involved in the events that you think are making this series so good to be evicted - you are destroying it! You can't have an opinion on future incidents if said housemates aren't there to cause one can you? I'm going off on a tangent here but to add to all of this: there have been instances throughout BBUK's history where ratings have declined when a big character have been evicted, so I'm not making this up. People don't know what is best for the overall quality of the series

Of course I think my opinion trumps all else: it. is. my. ****ing. opinion. I've seen some idiotic things written on here in my eight years of membership but this criticism being bandied around all the time in different threads and to different members really is one of the worst of them all. It isn't much of an opinion if you don't believe it to be correct! It should go without saying that every post I type out on a discussion forum is my own opinion, I don't need to add the pointless 'IMO' to every one of them. The point of a forum is for you to post your opinion and debate with others why you think yours is right and theirs is wrong, otherwise what exactly is the point in us being here if we're all just going to concede 'yeah well that's my opinion and yours is yours so'...we may as well not post them and just keep our views to ourselves? :conf

Telling people that you base your favourites on what people on the show want to watch and then ignoring what people are telling you they want to watch because you genuinely believe that you - personally you - have a better understanding of what they want to watch is completely contradictory to your goal. And also conceited and egotistical.

And yet again your opinion isnt worth more, everyone seems to understand that their is opinion is one of many, you seem to believe your opinion is the best one of all. And thats just dumb dude.

All your points on this thread were dumb, I dunno how to explain this to a guy who think only his opinions are important cus theyre his opinions...

maybe type less and read more.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Telling people that you base your favourites on what people on the show want to watch and then ignoring what people are telling you they want to watch because you genuinely believe that you - personally you - have a better understanding of what they want to watch is completely contradictory to your goal. And also conceited and egotistical.

And yet again your opinion isnt worth more, everyone seems to understand that their is opinion is one of many, you seem to believe your opinion is the best one of all. And thats just dumb dude.

All your points on this thread were dumb, I dunno how to explain this to a guy who think only his opinions are important cus theyre his opinions...

maybe type less and read more.

So are you just going to bypass and ignore the fact that there are people who demand certain housemates are evicted and then complain it's boring? Or how about ratings declining throughout BBUK history when certain big characters have been evicted? It would be contradictory if I believed the majority of viewers knew what they wanted to watch - but for the umpteenth time, I don't. And the evidence justifies my stance. So for the last time, whether people are actively conscious of it or not, they enjoy watching divisive housemates because they provoke a reaction out of them and get them talking about and interested in the show. Does this apply to every single viewer ever? No, but for the casuals it certainly does.

Err...when have I ever stated my opinion isn't one of many? Now you are putting words into my mouth. I am literally posting on a forum full of hundreds of members of differing opinions - of course my opinion is one of many. But like the majority of sane people, I believe my opinion to be correct, and I post on this forum to debate with others why I believe that to be the case. Because, shock horror - that is the point of a forum! If you don't think your opinion is right, or aren't interested in debating the merits of yours and the downfalls of someone else's - may I politely suggest that maybe a forum isn't really your thing? Because I think you're missing the point of them.

All of my points were valid and justified, the only dumb responses in this discussion have come from you because you're refusing to address things that I raise, making me repeat myself and then asking the same questions over and over again.

Once again you've basically ignored the points I raise, chose not to address them and instead resorted to insulting me. Perhaps you should both type and read more - it's hysterical that you're accusing me of not doing that when you've ignored half of the things I've repeated ad nauseam in this thread. Oh and as a side note, I'll type as much as I see fit - if you are incapable of or unwilling to partake in reading comprehension that's your choice - but again perhaps a forum isn't the best place for you.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by minny03

Exactly! I agree with this entire post, especially with the bolded part. I have always felt this way. Marco and Natalie may have annoyed me at times, but they both brought a lot to the show. The same goes with Georgina. They generated a lot of discussion and contributed to many of the story lines.

So unfortunately, whenever a big character is evicted, then BAM! It impacts everything! It means that a long host of potential/developing/interesting/intriguing/dynamic story lines go straight out the window in one large swoop - and that completely brings down the momentum and overall quality of the program.

Its foolish to act like huge personalities like Marco, Georgina, and Natalie leaving early do not hurt the show. I don't know why people don't understand this.

That's just such an odd way of looking at it. The fact is that it's all subjective. Who is anyone to say that what hurts the show for them also hurts it for everyone else? That's not how it works, different people derive enjoyment from different things.

For me, Marco staying would have been a detriment to my enjoyment. The same for Natalie and the same for Georgina. If their evictions hurt the show for you, fair enough and you have every right to express that. What you don't have the right to do, however, is to basically say that this opinion of yours is, or at least should be, shared by everybody else otherwise they're "foolish". Their evictions didn't hurt the show for me. I'm not in denial about anything, I'm genuinely glad they're gone.

By the same token, I'll miss having Emma around but I don't, for some bizarre reason, expect the people who didn't like her to miss her just because I said that's the right way of thinking. There's nothing for people to "understand" because you're not working with facts here.