[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

jfc.

the second anyone announces a vote or movement for Shariah Law would be the day their career in politics ends.

Exactly why it's being attempted through terror techniques. As I think Liv said, ISIS / ISIL / Daesh / Whatever the eff they want to be known as will not rest until their flag is flown everywhere. They need to be taken down.

Sharia law has no place in Europe. Is it wrong of me to say that?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Exactly why it's being attempted through terror techniques. As I think Liv said, ISIS / ISIL / Daesh / Whatever the eff they want to be known as will not rest until their flag is flown everywhere. They need to be taken down.

Sharia law has no place in Europe. Is it wrong of me to say that?

And how exactly are terror attacks meant to achieve that? IS don't have the resources to force a change in any western country and there's no chance of one extremist rising to power and pushing Shariah Law, never mind the kind of numbers you'd need to push it through parliament. People don't see terror attacks and think 'Oh well, time to throw in the towel and start practicing Shariah Law!'

There is no way that Shariah Law will ever realistically replace our justice system. It just won't. People are just being hysterical and aren't thinking about it rationally. You cannot force a democratic country in which church is seperated from state to become a religious dictatorship. There's no way.

Also do not suggest that I in any way support Sharia Law because I do not share your hysteria.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And how exactly are terror attacks meant to achieve that? IS don't have the resources to force a change in any western country and there's no chance of one extremist rising to power and pushing Shariah Law, never mind the kind of numbers you'd need to push it through parliament. People don't see terror attacks and think 'Oh well, time to throw in the towel and start practicing Shariah Law!'

There is no way that Shariah Law will ever realistically replace our justice system. It just won't. People are just being hysterical and aren't thinking about it rationally. You cannot force a democratic country in which church is seperated from state to become a religious dictatorship. There's no way.

Also do not suggest that I in any way support Sharia Law because I do not share your hysteria.

I don't have hysteria hun. And I'm surprised that you think I believe you support it (sharia). But I do know first hand what effect terror attacks can have. And I make no distinction about what colour people are, what religion they are, what part of Spain they come from...etc etc.

What they can do is kill and maim and do so pretty much indiscriminately. With many historic terror groups, there is room for negotiation, because, cmon, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. That's not the case with "whatever they call themselves". They don't want any negotiation. They want their flag everywhere. It's a new breed. They aren't fighting for freedom, they are fighting for "infidel" subjugation.

What they will do also is persist with the Sharia councils, and only feel they need to abide against those rather than the laws of the country.

When you refer to hysteria, that is precisely what they are aiming for. Nothing quite like a nice climate of fear.

I lecture in revolutionary politics btw, I think I'm qualified to examine tactics. My current reading is about the historical Crusades and what, if any, parallels can be drawn.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

I don't have hysteria hun. And I'm surprised that you think I believe you support it (sharia). But I do know first hand what effect terror attacks can have. And I make no distinction about what colour people are, what religion they are, what part of Spain they come from...etc etc.

What they can do is kill and maim and do so pretty much indiscriminately. With many historic terror groups, there is room for negotiation, because, cmon, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. That's not the case with "whatever they call themselves". They don't want any negotiation. They want their flag everywhere. It's a new breed. They aren't fighting for freedom, they are fighting for "infidel" subjugation.

What they will do also is persist with the Sharia councils, and only feel they need to abide against those rather than the laws of the country.

When you refer to hysteria, that is precisely what they are aiming for.

I lecture in revolutionary politics btw, I think I'm qualified to examine tactics.

You've not really given me any answers here.

Like attempts at Shariah patrols, anyone involved in a Shariah Council that's attempting to undermine the law will likely be stamped out and there's not enough of these councils to make a difference, from what I know these councils seem to be nothing more than Marriage Councilling to begin with. Hell, there's likely to be a massive percentage of muslims who don't want Shariah Law enacted either. If it doesn't have the support of a majority of Muslims then what chances are there of it becoming law when there's millions upon millions that oppose it and we have a government that would stamp out any attempts at enacting Shariah Law at the root.

There's not enough resources for a military coup, Extremists are unlikely to successfully hide their connections and get elected into office and they aren't going to be able to push their agenda through parliament. Simply saying that Islam will simply become more promiment in this country is flawed as well since the millions of people who aren't Muslim won't suddenly disappear or stop breeding either.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've not really given me any answers here.

Like attempts at Shariah patrols, anyone involved in a Shariah Council that's attempting to undermine the law will likely be stamped out and there's not enough of these councils to make a difference, from what I know these councils seem to be nothing more than Marriage Councilling to begin with. Hell, there's likely to be a massive percentage of muslims who don't want Shariah Law enacted either. If it doesn't have the support of a majority of Muslims then what chances are there of it becoming law when there's millions upon millions that oppose it and we have a government that would stamp out any attempts at enacting Shariah Law at the root.

There's not enough resources for a military coup, Extremists are unlikely to successfully hide their connections and get elected into office and they aren't going to be able to push their agenda through parliament. Simply saying that Islam will simply become more promiment in this country is flawed as well since the millions of people who aren't Muslim won't suddenly disappear or stop breeding either.

I can't give you any answers, I wish I could. Nobody can give any answers, no matter how hard they push their political agendas. I feel it is becoming less and less about democracy, and falling into anarchy. With the internet, everyone is able to discuss and argue about what is right or wrong, and those ideals are going to clash. Everyone has a voice.

There will be no military coup, that is a traditional way of doing things, and the world is outside traditional ways of doing things now. Sharia councils are not just about marriage disputes, they are about imposing morality on people. You say governments will stamp out Sharia attempts, yet how do you think they can do that without inciting radicalism?

I don't want Muslims or anyone to disappear, to stop breeding, or to stop living in this country. Difference is part of what makes the world great. It should promote understanding and acceptance. Therefore terror attempts to subjugate are against what every free thinking person believes, religion aside.

What I am saying is, terrorism is a very very difficult war to fight. It doesn't adhere to any traditional warfare rules.

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

And how exactly are terror attacks meant to achieve that? IS don't have the resources to force a change in any western country and there's no chance of one extremist rising to power and pushing Shariah Law, never mind the kind of numbers you'd need to push it through parliament. People don't see terror attacks and think 'Oh well, time to throw in the towel and start practicing Shariah Law!'

There is no way that Shariah Law will ever realistically replace our justice system. It just won't. People are just being hysterical and aren't thinking about it rationally. You cannot force a democratic country in which church is seperated from state to become a religious dictatorship. There's no way.
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There are several issues in what you say. There is every chance of extremists rising to power in times of turbulence. Take a look at whats happening politically across Europe, look at Trump in the US. Extremists become the norm, and when the balance is tipped you end up with extremists from all directions enabled.

The likes of Corbyn is a devout pacifist. If he got into power, he would roll over and submit to any force that came against him, because he is absolutely against fighting back, and you don't win any battles by saying ... don't do that again.

Sharia law gains traction when there are thugs/families that want to subjugate people to their will. There have already been countless examples of it happening here in the UK, so to say it won't happen, is again, misguided.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There are several issues in what you say. There is every chance of extremists rising to power in times of turbulence. Take a look at whats happening politically across Europe, look at Trump in the US.

Divide and conquer.