[Garfie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Let's be honest though it was all fairly deliberate revenge on heavy D by both Bear and Chloe.

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

Great post. There was a clip on bots of Bear returning to the house last night. As he walked past Chloe who was sitting in the kitchen he told her she was a rubbish kisser.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

Great post, I feel like I'm watching a bunch of early teens, it's all very immature.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

.....hmmm I think there is a lot of characters being shown here with this, Garfie...many of the other housemates are feeding ad encouraging Heavy's feelings of 'hurt and betrayal' with what they're doing and how they're reacting, rather than..oh come on Heavy and big hug, we can understand but neither have any responsibilities to you and your feelings and etc/ya ya ya...that's the 'mature' thing and the sensitive thing surely, if they were considering Heavy's feelings at all and in 'protection' of him but they're really not by keeping him in a place of feeling 'justified' in his hurt emotions...it should be..(in a grown up world..)...just shake yourself down Heavy/pay no never mind and come have a good fun time with us...but no, they're contributing to his hurt emotions just as much...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I thought it was unfair, she's made her feelings clear towards him, she's not responsible for him or the situation in the bedroom.

That situation was down to a clash of fragile masculinities and nothing.

Yeah this.It's not her fault that Heavy fancies her.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah this.It's not her fault that Heavy fancies her.

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl?

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl?

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

Yes.Heavy seems slightly delusional and Bear seems to lack empathy.Both signs of something not right upstairs.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

Interesting point.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes ,i was disappointed in her,in the garden she was looking to see if D and Renee were looking when she was kissing Bear, it was so sneaky ,and when Bears back was against the wall she kept her mouth shut

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Josy

Chloe is not responsible for Heavy D's feelings towards her.

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah totally Josy...they're all so wrong for trying to put some kind of responsibility on her to be sensitive and consider him in any of her actions, when she's never encouraged any of his feelings..this house is just weird...

Originally Posted by Cherie

Agreed how can she be playing with his feelings when she has practically told him to his face she is not interested.

Yes yes and yes

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl?

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

There are guys who are like that, I remember reading an article about how some guys took innocent gestures from women as signs of their being an attraction where there isnt one, maybe hes one of those-or perhaps has an enflated ego.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post, I feel like I'm watching a bunch of early teens, it's all very immature.

Ah so thats the reason I have found it annoying but tbh I think many teens have much better behaviour than this bunch

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Yes, I think both Chloe and Bear were intending to humiliate Heavy D and provoke a reaction- both realised that he had seen them, and then ensured they 'performed' further, when they knew he had.

For a man of his age, Heavy D is very naive as concerns relationships - however, naive as he is, it is obvious that his situation with Chloe has genuinely upset him and hurt his feelings. He is being over-sensitive, but both Bear and Chloe knew that but chose to behave in a way that was intentionally insensitive, which says a lot about their characters.

I find the whole situation between Bear and Chloe quite pathetic. He has no feelings for her, and is merely using her to get at others and for a bit of action. She has no feelings for him, and is using the situation to boost her self-esteem and to make herself feel relevant. The situation is degrading to Chloe and it is sad that she, and so many others from reality shows, feel the only thing they have to offer is their bodies and overtly sexual behaviour which is designed to shock. I actually think Bear's treatment of Chloe is as bad as Heavy D's, and in some ways worse when motives are considered.

Those in the 'squad' are so shallow, and have no depth of character- they are just not pleasant people, and are becoming tedious and tiresome to watch as the same 'storyline' is being played out night after night as they believe that this is entertaining. Imo, it is not.

great post

Originally Posted by jaxie

Great post. There was a clip on bots of Bear returning to the house last night. As he walked past Chloe who was sitting in the kitchen he told her she was a rubbish kisser.

said it in a way that was ambiguous enough he could claim it as a joke, but was a barb to hit chloe's already low self-esteem. bear is a smart cookie, even if he's pretty horrible. And later on, in the live feed, she was all over him in the pool, leaning on him, sucking the tip of her thumb, simpering - as he yakked away to marnie and lewis also in the pool. he barely even ganced at chloe.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i couldn't understand what was going on. Heavy D seemed to imply that she had led him on, but I've seen no evidence of that in the highlights. Maybe she smiled at him and he took that as she is now his girl?

I wonder if the psychologists have the mental ages of Heavy D and Bear, because from where i'm standing, they both have issues in that area.

we obviously don't see everything, and earlier on at the start D referred to a conversation he'd had with her about her status relationship-wise - she led him to believe she was single and ready to mingle. what else she said we probably won't ever know, but her overtly flirty behaviour (she'd just got into the house so was trying to make a good impression on all the guys) which is meaningless in itself was likely misconstrued by him as a green light rather than her inane 'banter'. I feel he hasn't nearly as much experience with vapid media people as the likes of lewis and bear.

[Nicky91]

I still like Chloe

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Heavy D deserved it... I would have been surprised and disappointed if Bear hadn't retaliated...Bear got em good style... Both Heavy and Renee....they betrayed him so he did the one thing that upset them most....and it worked perfectly

Yeah, but where are Chloe's feelings in all this? If Bears antics on Ex On The Beach are anything to go by, he'll throw her heart away like a used cum rag the second she gets 'clingy'. Is he perhaps a repressed gay man? Is the only housemate he really wants to 'do' that guy from TOWIE?

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by Josy

Chloe is not responsible for Heavy D's feelings towards her.

Bollocks, mate. She's talked to him for more than five minutes before running away, or asking for money, or phoning the police. That can't have happened very often in Heavy's life - she's leading him on, the little tease!

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by Jan S

great post

said it in a way that was ambiguous enough he could claim it as a joke, but was a barb to hit chloe's already low self-esteem. bear is a smart cookie, even if he's pretty horrible. And later on, in the live feed, she was all over him in the pool, leaning on him, sucking the tip of her thumb, simpering - as he yakked away to marnie and lewis also in the pool. he barely even ganced at chloe.

we obviously don't see everything, and earlier on at the start D referred to a conversation he'd had with her about her status relationship-wise - she led him to believe she was single and ready to mingle. what else she said we probably won't ever know, but her overtly flirty behaviour (she'd just got into the house so was trying to make a good impression on all the guys) which is meaningless in itself was likely misconstrued by him as a green light rather than her inane 'banter'. I feel he hasn't nearly as much experience with vapid media people as the likes of lewis and bear.

On the other hand, I doubt this is the first time Heavy's cornered 'a gewl' with his 'banter'. There's something not quite right going on behind his eyes. In the world most of us live in, there'd be no way an overweight, angry man like Heavy could possibly ever dream of 'taching on' with a lady like Chloe. But he seems to be used to getting his own way ...

[smudgie]

I am beginning to wonder if Chloe is just a handy storyline for Heavy
A nigh on middle aged fella who is very media savvy and clever enough to 'entertain' through his business.
All a bit odd to be so swept off his feet within a couple of days, maybe he looked around and decided what game to play.

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I am beginning to wonder if Chloe is just a handy storyline for Heavy
A nigh on middle aged fella who is very media savvy and clever enough to 'entertain' through his business.
All a bit odd to be so swept off his feet within a couple of days, maybe he looked around and decided what game to play.

Nah, I don't think so. For once, the BBOTS psych team seems on the money; Heavy is like the slow kid in the playground who's trying to keep up with 'the cool kids', by being as vile as he can to 'the ladies.' Years of resentment are spewing out - he looks at Bear, Bear's refusal to compromise with 'woman's stuff' and sees the kind of revolting misogynist he'd like to be.

[armand.kay]

Funniest thing is people like like Nadia run about yapping about 'feminism' and woman's rights but for some reason to Saira Chloe has can't enjoy her time in the house because it might upset heavy.

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Funniest thing is people like like Nadia run about yapping about 'feminism' and woman's rights but for some reason to Saira Chloe has can't enjoy her time in the house because it might upset heavy.

Does anyone want to go down in flames like Nadia did? Defending a grotesque for 'PC' reasons?

[azi]

Chloe wants nothing to do with Heavy D and made that clear.
Him trying to look like he was "played" when he was in the DR was ridiculous.