[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The backlash to his bi comment was gonna be a problem for the show....if he had explained himself a bit more it may not have blown up so big but he either didn't or we weren't shown it if he did.

What backlash? Nobody gave a **** outside of a few twats on twitter.

He's probably said something racist the more I think about it.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

What backlash? Nobody gave a **** outside of a few twats on twitter.

He's probably said something racist the more I think about it.

Pretty sure every bisexual person watching [myself included] found his comments ridiculous and offensive as well, am I just a twat too?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Pretty sure every bisexual person watching [myself included] found his comments ridiculous and offensive as well, am I just a twat too?

Anyone making a song and a dance about a comment as harmless as that is imo, yes.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Anyone making a song and a dance about a comment as harmless as that is imo, yes.

"The worst ones, I'm afraid, are the bisexuals... you just have to pick a side" isn't remotely harmless, it's villainising us as being some indecisive little stain on the Gays when in fact we're more persecuted by them than by anyone else And I'm sorry you're fine with his stupid outdated comments but for someone on BOTS so regularly and desperately as Biggins was you would think he'd have cottoned onto the idea that, perhaps, you just don't go on about a sexuality in a negative light.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

"The worst ones, I'm afraid, are the bisexuals... you just have to pick a side" isn't remotely harmless, it's villainising us as being some indecisive little stain on the Gays when in fact we're more persecuted by them than by anyone else And I'm sorry you're fine with his stupid outdated comments but for someone on BOTS so regularly and desperately as Biggins was you would think he'd have cottoned onto the idea that, perhaps, you just don't go on about a sexuality in a negative light.

But its Biggins opinion,and he's entitled to it

[T*]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

But its Biggins opinion,and he's entitled to it

Jesus ****ing Christ

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Tom*

Jesus ****ing Christ

ikr, it;s like no one can't be offended by anything especially over something offensive.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

But its Biggins opinion,and he's entitled to it

Biggins is entitled to his opinion, but if it is offensive he should not be expressing it in public- just as you are entitled to your opinion, but shouldn't be expressing it in public, particularly when the person you are responding to has clearly stated it is causing offence. Perhaps you could have some consideration and respect?

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Biggins is entitled to his opinion, but if it is offensive he should not be expressing it in public- just as you are entitled to your opinion, but shouldn't be expressing it in public, particularly when the person you are responding to has clearly stated it is causing offence. Perhaps you could have some consideration and respect?

In a genuine free speech and free expression country you should be free to express a personal opinion regardless of if it is private or in public and regardless to any offence it may cause to others.

You can not go through life censoring oneself on the off chance that someone somewhere might take offence.

We have lost a valuable right in this country because we pander to babies who do not have the personalities to be adult and take words on the chin in a grown up way.

Just remember censorship is far more sinister than percieved offensive comments.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Shaun

"The worst ones, I'm afraid, are the bisexuals... you just have to pick a side" isn't remotely harmless, it's villainising us as being some indecisive little stain on the Gays when in fact we're more persecuted by them than by anyone else And I'm sorry you're fine with his stupid outdated comments but for someone on BOTS so regularly and desperately as Biggins was you would think he'd have cottoned onto the idea that, perhaps, you just don't go on about a sexuality in a negative light.

That's the trouble with Britain today. People creep about being apologetic for every opinion they might have. If you are determined to believe you are being 'persecuted' for being bi-sexual, then that's your affair.
The real victims of this kind of political correctness gone mad are the children who are raped and abused by Asian gangs in places like Rotherham, who were allowed to continue because people were afraid to be labelled racist.
Biggins and Renees remarks may have been ill informed or not, but the right to have such opinions IS their right.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No, you're not persecuted.

Wow. I guess you must know every single bisexual person on the planet and know their lives inside out.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Wow. I guess you must know every single bisexual person on the planet and know their lives inside out.

Irrelevant. There is no persecution of "bisexuals" anywhere in this country.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Irrelevant. There is no persecution of "bisexuals" anywhere in this country.

Wow. I guess you must know every single bisexual person in this country and know their lives inside out.

[johne]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Pretty sure every bisexual person watching [myself included] found his comments ridiculous and offensive as well, am I just a twat too?

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are. I agree his comment was ridiculous, but Biggins is simply an un-PC luvvie with some old fashioned mistaken ideas. Why on earth should anyone be offended. Feel sorry for him, cross him off your Christmas card list or whatever, but are you so precious that you need to take offence, and does our society have to keep drifting in the direction of oppressive punishment for the smallest of thought crimes? If you aren't impressed by this argument, be aware that in 40 or 50 years time some of your beliefs today might have become a thought crime too. In the absence of freedom of speech, the shoe might be on the other foot then.

If I can also add, this episode confirms what I've always thought. If you are seen as a "goodie" on the outside, even worse if you are a national treasure as Biggins was, you should never go on CBB. Everyone eventually cracks on BB and if you are seen as a nice person initially the only way is down once you've said something wrong, and the merciless vengeful pack will descend on you and destroy you. On the other hand, if you go in as a "baddie", the slightest display of a better side will be lauded. It will be said you've been on a "journey", and you will be loved. I have every expectation, with the proviso they are clever enough to see this, that Bear and Marni will try and follow this path.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by shaun

am I just a twat too?

Originally Posted by johne

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by johne

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are. I agree his comment was ridiculous, but Biggins is simply an un-PC luvvie with some old fashioned mistaken ideas. Why on earth should anyone be offended. Feel sorry for him, cross him off your Christmas card list or whatever, but are you so precious that you need to take offence, and does our society have to keep drifting in the direction of oppressive punishment for the smallest of thought crimes? If you aren't impressed by this argument, be aware that in 40 or 50 years time some of your beliefs today might have become a thought crime too. In the absence of freedom of speech, the shoe might be on the other foot then.

If I can also add, this episode confirms what I've always thought. If you are seen as a "goodie" on the outside, even worse if you are a national treasure as Biggins was, you should never go on CBB. Everyone eventually cracks on BB and if you are seen as a nice person initially the only way is down once you've said something wrong, and the merciless vengeful pack will descend on you and destroy you. On the other hand, if you go in as a "baddie", the slightest display of a better side will be lauded. It will be said you've been on a "journey", and you will be loved. I have every expectation, with the proviso they are clever enough to see this, that Bear and Marni will try and follow this path.

I see it exactly like you do too, why would people care what a silly old queen like Biggins thinks...and why hadn't they already worked it our for themselves anyway. It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like. I would hate to be someone he approves of so I'm actually quite jealous of the bi guys now The gay community love to pounce and they are meaner with each other than they are with anyone else. Biggins gossip value on the gay scene is more valuable than any moral injustice people claim to feel.

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I see it exactly like you do too, why would people care what a silly old queen like Biggins thinks...and why hadn't they already worked it our for themselves anyway. It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like. I would hate to be someone he approves of so I'm actually quite jealous of the bi guys now The gay community love to pounce and they are meaner with each other than they are with anyone else. Biggins gossip value on the gay scene is more valuable than any moral injustice people claim to feel.

The point being made is that Biggins is another victim of PC sensibilities. You say you agree and then condemn him ("It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like.") and then have a swipe at the gay community. Are gay people really 'meaner' than anyone else?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

The point being made is that Biggins is another victim of PC sensibilities. You say you agree and then condemn him ("It's always been glaringly obvious to me what he's like.") and then have a swipe at the gay community. Are gay people really 'meaner' than anyone else?

I don't think Biggins is a victim and I don't like him either....I just don't care what his views are any more than I care what Donald Trumps views are....I think I can work out why he's the way he is but he's not relevant enough for it to upset me.
The gay community will enjoy the gossip far more than they will dislike the comment. And they will shut him out in an instant if his face no longer fits. In my experience the rivalry between gay guys and their gay friends is far greater than the rivalry between gay guys and their straight friends....if he thinks the gay community will have his back he is mistaken.

[johne]

Originally Posted by johne

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are.

Thanks for pointing this out, Toy Soldier. I wouldn't accuse anyone directly of being a tw*t on a message board, I was just answering his/her question, but I apologise anyway for this reply, as I said, it's not what I would have said if that question hadn't been posed.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by johne

I don't wish to pick a fight, but yes I think you are. I agree his comment was ridiculous, but Biggins is simply an un-PC luvvie with some old fashioned mistaken ideas. Why on earth should anyone be offended. Feel sorry for him, cross him off your Christmas card list or whatever, but are you so precious that you need to take offence, and does our society have to keep drifting in the direction of oppressive punishment for the smallest of thought crimes? If you aren't impressed by this argument, be aware that in 40 or 50 years time some of your beliefs today might have become a thought crime too. In the absence of freedom of speech, the shoe might be on the other foot then.

A) I presume you aren't bisexual and as such aren't in a position to comment on what is and isn't derogatory about bisexuals. "The worst ones" isn't really open for discussion, it wasn't an enlightening open to a conversation - not that we were privy too anyway - it was dismissing us as indecisive, flippant or an obstacle to the LGBT movement. Renee's comment of "pick a side" is wildly ridiculous when LGBT kinda contains the ****ing B word itself.
B) It's not oppressive punishment. He broke a private TV show's rules and was ejected.
and C) I don't know you but congrats, I think you're a twat too <3

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

What backlash? Nobody gave a **** outside of a few twats on twitter.

He's probably said something racist the more I think about it.

Well there's about 17 pages of back lash on here so unless people on here are unique I imagine it was the same on other social media ...I was in a minority who didn't like him when he went in, he was liked by a lot of people so he must have said more than we've seen