[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not the article itself

Was posted by a 'friend', reposted by 2 others all moaning about the mount of fraud and the 'taxpayer' (funnily enough one of these people is currently out of work themselves which makes the moaning about tax a bit funnier) and not one mention of the main issue here. All about the money...sad.

No no, the people who complain the MOST about "wasted tax money" are invariably the ones who don't actually pay any tax. The number of people I hear complaining about Eastern European migrants (in full time employment!) because they get child benefits etc., talking about "their tax money", when I know for a fact that they haven't paid tax for decades...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not the article itself

Was posted by a 'friend', reposted by 2 others all moaning about the mount of fraud and the 'taxpayer' (funnily enough one of these people is currently out of work themselves which makes the moaning about tax a bit funnier) and not one mention of the main issue here. All about the money...sad.

Oooohhhh I see. I was confused.

Frankly I think the woman should be spayed.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oooohhhh I see. I was confused.

Frankly I think the woman should be spayed.

She certainly shouldn't be allowed to have children in her care again under any circumstances... especially if it is a disorder like Msbp. It's a compulsive disorder so the fear of punishment isn't going to deter it, and even her being completely sure that she would never do it again isn't any guarantee that she wouldn't end up hurting another child once back in that position. Definitely not worth the risk.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oooohhhh I see. I was confused.

Frankly I think the woman should be spayed.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She certainly shouldn't be allowed to have children in her care again under any circumstances... especially if it is a disorder like Msbp. It's a compulsive disorder so the fear of punishment isn't going to deter it, and even her being completely sure that she would never do it again isn't any guarantee that she wouldn't end up hurting another child once back in that position. Definitely not worth the risk.

Absolutely agree with these, whether it's a mental illness or not, no children should ever be allowed anywhere near her again

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oooohhhh I see. I was confused.

Frankly I think the woman should be spayed.

I would agree with this tbh, though no doubt someone will be along soon to point out how forced sterilization would be a breach of her human rights

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would agree with this tbh, though no doubt someone will be along soon to point out how forced sterilization would be a breach of her human rights

Weeell any medical procedure can have complications and I don't think we want to go down the route of enforcing any procedure. I know that's exactly what she's done to her children but I don't believe that "an eye for an eye" is OK when it can possibly set a worrying precedent.

So I would say that sterilizing her is a step to far, but if she was to have any children again she certainly shouldn't get custody of them.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Weeell any medical procedure can have complications and I don't think we want to go down the route of enforcing any procedure. I know that's exactly what she's done to her children but I don't believe that "an eye for an eye" is OK when it can possibly set a worrying precedent.

So I would say that sterilizing her is a step to far, but if she was to have any children again she certainly shouldn't get custody of them.

We have a huge lack of places to put said future children though, and its not fair on the child IMO either for their parent to continue having kids and having them swiped by SS and shoved into a home upon their birth :S

Unfortunately I find it highly likely she will do her sentence and come out and keep reporoducing. All it takes is for one crappy judge to overrule something like this too (like in the recent case where the judge overruled an abusive parent being banned from having his kid...and then the kid died as a result)

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not the article itself

Was posted by a 'friend', reposted by 2 others all moaning about the mount of fraud and the 'taxpayer' (funnily enough one of these people is currently out of work themselves which makes the moaning about tax a bit funnier) and not one mention of the main issue here. All about the money...sad.

Vicky, I noticed what you're saying on some comment sections (especially local media). There will be some blatant injustice and it will be overlooked because oh, this person must be poor (hint: skin color) and therefore they must be draining the system dry.... those comments usually fall in line with some sort of political affiliation.

I see those things posted by some people on FB. FB is an inevitable dumptruck of drama and excrement. I felt personally victimized when loading my feed. Eventually 50% of my feed was "turned off". A vast majority of it is an unnecessary expulsion of personal details that is not only nobody's real business, but is an attention seeking invitation to strangers to come "deal with" people's personal complexes. When I moved back home years ago, I dropped my personal FB and have never looked back. It's only a necessary evil for work now.

On topic, I read a story a while back about a lady who was creating issues with her kids for attention on her blog. Might be the same lady who drugging her child with sodium to put them in the hospital. The continuing care and surgeries alone here would put most people in crushing debt so I guess it is a deterrent of sorts... disability doesn't pay that well. It's easier to "invent" an issue and open a Gofundme and receive donations from family and friends than to try to game the medical system.