[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by the truth

if they dont like it, go to scotland wales or ireland or abroad ...time they put patients first not their bank balance and social lives

So it's worth losing potentially thousands of talented professionals to other countries from a field of work where there are already not enough staff, to expand accessibility to some non-essential services to the weekend? Hunt claims more people die on weekends in hospitals due to lack of care. This is not the case and his reasoning is based on very flakey evidence. The NHS already is a seven-day service. Doctors, nurses, any anyone else who works in the health service sacrfice so much of their time and effort, for little pay (nurses, for example, have had their pay frozen for years while MPs have helped themselves to an 11% pay rise), to save lives. You'll miss them when they're gone, and Jeremy Hunt finally achieves his long-time aim to privatise health care in the UK.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

So it's worth losing potentially thousands of talented professionals to other countries from a field of work where there are already not enough staff, to expand accessibility to some non-essential services to the weekend? Hunt claims more people die on weekends in hospitals due to lack of care. This is not the case and his reasoning is based on very flakey evidence. The NHS already is a seven-day service. Doctors, nurses, any anyone else who works in the health service sacrfice so much of their time and effort, for little pay (nurses, for example, have had their pay frozen for years while MPs have helped themselves to an 11% pay rise), to save lives. You'll miss them when they're gone, and Jeremy Hunt finally achieves his long-time aim to privatise health care in the UK.

With both my kids having congenital conditions I just daren't envisage this

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

With both my kids having congenital conditions I just daren't envisage this

It's nightmarish. The NHS has done so much for my family, it's saved my life, and is the thing that makes me most proud to be British.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

It's nightmarish. The NHS has done so much for my family, it's saved my life, and is the thing that makes me most proud to be British.

True, did you see the article with that prat chef saying Mary Berry was wrong to speak out about deep fat fryers as they are an intrinsic part of 'British culture'!....Where are their heads at?.... where?


* goes a bit loco *

[the truth]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

It's nightmarish. The NHS has done so much for my family, it's saved my life, and is the thing that makes me most proud to be British.

yeap we need rid of the trusts we need to rid ourselves of the nhs cover ups we saw under new labour we need rid of the useless chief execs and we need doctors to work 4 day on day off shift patterns like evryone else

[the truth]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

So it's worth losing potentially thousands of talented professionals to other countries from a field of work where there are already not enough staff, to expand accessibility to some non-essential services to the weekend? Hunt claims more people die on weekends in hospitals due to lack of care. This is not the case and his reasoning is based on very flakey evidence. The NHS already is a seven-day service. Doctors, nurses, any anyone else who works in the health service sacrfice so much of their time and effort, for little pay (nurses, for example, have had their pay frozen for years while MPs have helped themselves to an 11% pay rise), to save lives. You'll miss them when they're gone, and Jeremy Hunt finally achieves his long-time aim to privatise health care in the UK.

the people leading this disgusting revolt which will result in the deaths of 1000s of innocent people just to get the millionare doctors even more cash and time off at weekends need to be replaced asap...they are scum

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

the people leading this disgusting revolt which will result in the deaths of 1000s of innocent people just to get the millionare doctors even more cash and time off at weekends need to be replaced asap...they are scum

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by the truth

the people leading this disgusting revolt which will result in the deaths of 1000s of innocent people just to get the millionare doctors even more cash and time off at weekends need to be replaced asap...they are scum

The millionaire doctors are not the junior doctors. That is the senior staff.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The millionaire doctors are not the junior doctors. That is the senior staff.

Juniors have been doctors for a decade or more. Many are millions airs

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Juniors have been doctors for a decade or more. Many are millions airs

How much do you think doctors actually earn, Truth? A Junior doctor working for 10 years and saving EVERY SINGLE PENNY is unlikely to have £500k, let alone a million. And then there's those pesky things like rent, clothes and food chipping away at the balance.

6 figure salaries start at MUCH more senior grades.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How much do you think doctors actually earn, Truth? A Junior doctor working for 10 years and saving EVERY SINGLE PENNY is unlikely to have £500k, let alone a million. And then there's those pesky things like rent, clothes and food chipping away at the balance.

6 figure salaries start at MUCH more senior grades.

You are looking at basic NHS salaries, in truth junior doctors dont stay Junior for very long and rise up through the ranks pretty quickly, some can get to Consultant level in their early 30s, there are all sorts of extras they can earn in addition to overtime, they can work for drug companies in an advisory capacity, if they specialise they can be paid to give talks at meeting, where all expenses are by the drug company, they can edit Medical journals and be paid for it, most run private clinics alongside their NHS clinic, the NHS salary is just the basic, good luck to them, they work hard for it but they can earn serious salaries

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are looking at basic NHS salaries, in truth junior doctors dont stay Junior for very long and rise up through the ranks pretty quickly, some can get to Consultant level in their early 30s

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant; if they become consultants they are no longer Junior doctors and so not part of the discussion. A few might have other things going on, and yes I am well aware of the issue with pharmaceutical kickbacks, but millionaires being "common" is just ridiculous. I actually know a lot of junior doctors, as the University I went to has a lot of med students, so the people I knew there have been doctors for 5 to 7 years at this point. None of them are even close to being "millionaires"... They have pretty normal middle class existences and incomes, hectic work lives, and little social time.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are looking at basic NHS salaries, in truth junior doctors dont stay Junior for very long and rise up through the ranks pretty quickly, some can get to Consultant level in their early 30s, there are all sorts of extras they can earn in addition to overtime, they can work for drug companies in an advisory capacity, if they specialise they can be paid to give talks at meeting, where all expenses are by the drug company, they can edit Medical journals and be paid for it, most run private clinics alongside their NHS clinic, the NHS salary is just the basic, good luck to them, they work hard for it but they can earn serious salaries

Maybe some can add much extra to their incomes from their special interests as to medicine but it is hardly the norm.

Junior Doctors are expected to be on hand far more than Consultants too, furthermore, a Junior Doctor is only classed as such from the moment they qualify,after all their training etc.
That is all after the years of studying for same too.

They will also remain Junior Doctors for between 5 and 15 years too, that is hardly rapid advancement to specialist or Consultant level.

Many go on to do further specialist training in order to open up more doors to their future.
To claim they can become millionaires in a likely general sense is way off the realms of probability in my view.
None of my Cousins who have worked in the NHS for the last 3 to 8 years are anything like millionaires.

Actually I think they should be able to earn serious salaries anyway, why on earth should they not, they are saving peoples lives day in, day out, year after year for likely the whole of the rest of their working lives too.
In fact they should all be getting far better salaries than they actually do in my view anyway, for that fantastic work they do.