[the truth]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The millionaire doctors are not the junior doctors. That is the senior staff.

Juniors have been doctors for a decade or more. Many are millions airs

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Juniors have been doctors for a decade or more. Many are millions airs

How much do you think doctors actually earn, Truth? A Junior doctor working for 10 years and saving EVERY SINGLE PENNY is unlikely to have £500k, let alone a million. And then there's those pesky things like rent, clothes and food chipping away at the balance.

6 figure salaries start at MUCH more senior grades.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How much do you think doctors actually earn, Truth? A Junior doctor working for 10 years and saving EVERY SINGLE PENNY is unlikely to have £500k, let alone a million. And then there's those pesky things like rent, clothes and food chipping away at the balance.

6 figure salaries start at MUCH more senior grades.

You are looking at basic NHS salaries, in truth junior doctors dont stay Junior for very long and rise up through the ranks pretty quickly, some can get to Consultant level in their early 30s, there are all sorts of extras they can earn in addition to overtime, they can work for drug companies in an advisory capacity, if they specialise they can be paid to give talks at meeting, where all expenses are by the drug company, they can edit Medical journals and be paid for it, most run private clinics alongside their NHS clinic, the NHS salary is just the basic, good luck to them, they work hard for it but they can earn serious salaries

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are looking at basic NHS salaries, in truth junior doctors dont stay Junior for very long and rise up through the ranks pretty quickly, some can get to Consultant level in their early 30s

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant; if they become consultants they are no longer Junior doctors and so not part of the discussion. A few might have other things going on, and yes I am well aware of the issue with pharmaceutical kickbacks, but millionaires being "common" is just ridiculous. I actually know a lot of junior doctors, as the University I went to has a lot of med students, so the people I knew there have been doctors for 5 to 7 years at this point. None of them are even close to being "millionaires"... They have pretty normal middle class existences and incomes, hectic work lives, and little social time.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant; if they become consultants they are no longer Junior doctors and so not part of the discussion. A few might have other things going on, and yes I am well aware of the issue with pharmaceutical kickbacks, but millionaires being "common" is just ridiculous. I actually know a lot of junior doctors, as the University I went to has a lot of med students, so the people I knew there have been doctors for 5 to 7 years at this point. None of them are even close to being "millionaires"... They have pretty normal middle class existences and incomes, hectic work lives, and little social time.

The point I'm making is junior doctors move up the scale pretty quickly, so the time they actually are "junior" can be as short as 5 years, I never mentioned the word millionaire

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant; if they become consultants they are no longer Junior doctors and so not part of the discussion. A few might have other things going on, and yes I am well aware of the issue with pharmaceutical kickbacks, but millionaires being "common" is just ridiculous. I actually know a lot of junior doctors, as the University I went to has a lot of med students, so the people I knew there have been doctors for 5 to 7 years at this point. None of them are even close to being "millionaires"... They have pretty normal middle class existences and incomes, hectic work lives, and little social time.

the nhs cant afford to pay these rich people double time or more for working weekends....further more all junior doctors should have to work some weekends as a compulsory part of their contracts to spread the workload throughout the doctors to ensure the minority are not overworked...under labour junior doctors work up to 91 hours, that is insane. under the tories that is reduced to maximum 72 hours. so its labour who overwork them in their hairbrained system. yet its labour who preach about the poor tired doctors. labour are full of BS

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You are looking at basic NHS salaries, in truth junior doctors dont stay Junior for very long and rise up through the ranks pretty quickly, some can get to Consultant level in their early 30s, there are all sorts of extras they can earn in addition to overtime, they can work for drug companies in an advisory capacity, if they specialise they can be paid to give talks at meeting, where all expenses are by the drug company, they can edit Medical journals and be paid for it, most run private clinics alongside their NHS clinic, the NHS salary is just the basic, good luck to them, they work hard for it but they can earn serious salaries

Maybe some can add much extra to their incomes from their special interests as to medicine but it is hardly the norm.

Junior Doctors are expected to be on hand far more than Consultants too, furthermore, a Junior Doctor is only classed as such from the moment they qualify,after all their training etc.
That is all after the years of studying for same too.

They will also remain Junior Doctors for between 5 and 15 years too, that is hardly rapid advancement to specialist or Consultant level.

Many go on to do further specialist training in order to open up more doors to their future.
To claim they can become millionaires in a likely general sense is way off the realms of probability in my view.
None of my Cousins who have worked in the NHS for the last 3 to 8 years are anything like millionaires.

Actually I think they should be able to earn serious salaries anyway, why on earth should they not, they are saving peoples lives day in, day out, year after year for likely the whole of the rest of their working lives too.
In fact they should all be getting far better salaries than they actually do in my view anyway, for that fantastic work they do.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Maybe some can add much extra to their incomes from their special interests as to medicine but it is hardly the norm.

Junior Doctors are expected to be on hand far more than Consultants too, furthermore, a Junior Doctor is only classed as such from the moment they qualify,after all their training etc.
That is all after the years of studying for same too.

They will also remain Junior Doctors for between 5 and 15 years too, that is hardly rapid advancement to specialist or Consultant level.

Many go on to do further specialist training in order to open up more doors to their future.
To claim they can become millionaires in a likely general sense is way off the realms of probability in my view.
None of my Cousins who have worked in the NHS for the last 3 to 8 years are anything like millionaires.

Actually I think they should be able to earn serious salaries anyway, why on earth should they not, they are saving peoples lives day in, day out, year after year for likely the whole of the rest of their working lives too.
In fact they should all be getting far better salaries than they actually do in my view anyway, for that fantastic work they do.

5 years is more the norm than 15, ...15 would be more realistically applied to the ones who are happy to remain within their grade and do not actively seek promotion, but they will be on the top end of the junior doctor scale earning around 70k basic ( which in London is not a high salary tbf)


I agree they should be well remunerated so I agree with you on that Joey

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Maybe some can add much extra to their incomes from their special interests as to medicine but it is hardly the norm.

Junior Doctors are expected to be on hand far more than Consultants too, furthermore, a Junior Doctor is only classed as such from the moment they qualify,after all their training etc.
That is all after the years of studying for same too.

They will also remain Junior Doctors for between 5 and 15 years too, that is hardly rapid advancement to specialist or Consultant level.

Many go on to do further specialist training in order to open up more doors to their future.
To claim they can become millionaires in a likely general sense is way off the realms of probability in my view.
None of my Cousins who have worked in the NHS for the last 3 to 8 years are anything like millionaires.

Actually I think they should be able to earn serious salaries anyway, why on earth should they not, they are saving peoples lives day in, day out, year after year for likely the whole of the rest of their working lives too.
In fact they should all be getting far better salaries than they actually do in my view anyway, for that fantastic work they do.

They do earn considerable amounts of money with incredible pensions too...The pension issue shouldnt be devalued ...these days youd need to spend £1 million pounds to earn a £50,000 pension per annum...These doctors get pensions in excess of £50,000 p/a
However to pay them more money where does that money come from?
well Id suggest 1) we abolish the GP contract of 2004 to get more GPs doing some out fo hours. This is in effect takes massive rpessure off all hospitals and all junior doctors, which would save the nhs a fortune , especially in extra staffing hours and overtime

now were out fo the bankrupt EU we will finally be allowed to recruit the 10,000s of nurses and doctors we need outside of europe. get recruiting. this will not only improve everything it will save the nhs billions in recruting tmeporary staff cover at double the rates

massively reduce the trusts and the trust members and staff. I have dealth with these dreadful people they add nothing to the nhs, they save nothing, they are not medically qualified they simply bleed money out of the nhs....reduce the salaries of the CEO's too.....Matrons are good they are on £81,000 thats a hefty salary. strengthen the obudsmen and the complaints procedures , this is far better than cover ups. the problems must be addressed honestly and openly or they are never fixed

pump more money into the front end. i.e in getting millions more people scanned far quicker with results in many cases the same day. this will save billions in the long run. billions saved in bed blocking, in taking excess medicataions, in seeing people get sicker....get people scanned quicker, get them diagnosed , treated and better...atm many multi million pound machines are simply not used...in my local one machine that finds kidney stones is used 3 hours a week?

a lot of this is common sense practice