[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..all I can say Johnny is that it doesn't make sense and the vid as portrayed doesn't ring truth...'of course there was no police in sight'..France is on high alert with police presence and 2000 people or more marched with hostility and destruction through the streets and there was no police presence../it was ignored...it doesn't make sense... and many of those people had their hands raised showing non hostility and showing openness and many were taking pics of the family or whoever they are that were appearing hostile, only phones in their hands...it just doesn't make any sense Johnny to take this on any face value at all...and I do think that the comments are very much part of the story as well because without those comments this would just be a YouTube vid...the hate incited with these propaganda things are very much a part of the story because they show the hate that was intended to incite and make it more than just a YouTube vid..how it spreads, how it grows etc and how it gathers in mobs...


..I honestly despair and feel so sad of how desensitised we can become to these things...we're a nation of compassion..isn't that part of the great in Great Britain, isn't that a big part of who we are...we can feel so much for things like poultry being held in cages, of conditions that animals are kept in and how wrong it all is but we can look into the faces of humans seeking refuge/confined in squalor conditions and feel nothing of the like and just say send them back to the hell they came from../let them die...there are other videos Johnny which will show you balance and another 'truth'...videos of the migrant camps in Calais, of the conditions there, of the people there..of how they've watched friends and family die in trying to find some life quality and value...and yet they'll still take their chances and risk their own lives because the risk at least gives them a chance..really Johnny, those will give you a truth that is very real and that completely but sadly makes sense...

Hi ammi,
Everyone makes their own mind up on what they see and what they believe to be true or not.
This video is a clear example of just how differently people can perceive things.

That is our choice to make and we should all respect that choice even if we disagree with each other.

Me personally I don't understand how anyone can watch a family being attacked like this and quickly dismiss it.
There are countless video clips of Donald Trump online and some believe it to be 100% true while others dismiss it.
This video shows clearly what happened to this local French family.

This should not happen to ANY family whatever race or creed. But it DID happen ammi.

I would love for this world to be full of rainbows an unicorns and we all got along and lived in peace but the reality is sadly quite different, shocking even?

Like i said before we can watch countless videos like this and choose to either believe it or dismiss it.
After all that is our choice.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Hi ammi,
Everyone makes their own mind up on what they see and what they believe to be true or not.
This video is a clear example of just how differently people can perceive things.

That is our choice to make and we should all respect that choice even if we disagree with each other.

Me personally I don't understand how anyone can watch a family being attacked like this and quickly dismiss it.
There are countless video clips of Donald Trump online and some believe it to be 100% true while others dismiss it.
This video shows clearly what happened to this local French family.

This should not happen to ANY family whatever race or creed. But it DID happen ammi.

I would love for this world to be full of rainbows an unicorns and we all got along and lived in peace but the reality is sadly quite different, shocking even?

Like i said before we can watch countless videos like this and choose to either believe it or dismiss it.
After all that is our choice.

..I would hate that Johnny...a unicorn/rainbow filled world..I prefer humans...balanced humans who aren't hate filled and who have compassion in other humans as their equal and who can see beyond themselves and their fortunate worlds...

[Johnnyuk123]

I would hate that Johnny...a unicorn/rainbow filled world..[B]I prefer humans...balanced humans who aren't hate filled and who have compassion in other humans as their equal and who can see beyond themselves and their fortunate worlds...

I agree me too, BUT regarding the migrant situation in my opinion it would be foolish to just let anyone into any country without the proper checks. Especially now with all the fighting going on around the world.

[Jake.]

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Jake.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I would hate that Johnny...a unicorn/rainbow filled world..I prefer humans...balanced humans who aren't hate filled and who have compassion in other humans as their equal and who can see beyond themselves and their fortunate worlds...

and they are fortunate because they take security and immigration seriously and dont just get mugged off by any tom dick or harry with a sad face.

Look at linekar in his house with 6 bathrooms and plenty spare rooms, he would rather call people racists than actually take a "refugee" in and help them.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they are fortunate because they take security and immigration seriously and dont just get mugged off by any tom dick or harry with a sad face.

Look at linekar in his house with 6 bathrooms and plenty spare rooms, he would rather call people racists than actually take a "refugee" in and help them.

..with respect LT but to be blunt, your words/opinions with this don't hold any validity to me...you posted an article with the words of the Head of Europol and said those were the words that you trusted/believed..you posted it/you believed...but when he said in that article that claims of terrorists using the migrant crisis to sneak into Europe disguised as asylum-seekers have been exaggerated and that there was no concrete evidence to suggest the 'infiltration' through migrant camps...your response was to go and find another article that suited your agenda...to keep looking until you found just the right thing because you obviously hadn't read your own link and just grabbed the headline as being that'll do....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

excellent points by Nigel

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..with respect LT but to be blunt, your words/opinions with this don't hold any validity to me...you posted an article with the words of the Head of Europol and said those were the words that you trusted/believed..you posted it/you believed...but when he said in that article that claims of terrorists using the migrant crisis to sneak into Europe disguised as asylum-seekers have been exaggerated and that there was no concrete evidence to suggest the 'infiltration' through migrant camps...your response was to go and find another article that suited your agenda...to keep looking until you found just the right thing because you obviously hadn't read your own link and just grabbed the headline as being that'll do....

sorry are you saying that ISIS are not sneaking into Europe as migrants/refugees?

I really hope you are not

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Youtube video

excellent points by Nigel

Thanks.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sorry are you saying that ISIS are not sneaking into Europe as migrants/refugees?

I really hope you are not

..when all you have in your own thread is a straw man argument comment then there really is nothing else to discuss, LT...you're either so close minded that it's pointless or you're baiting...also pointless.../have a lovely evening....well done for finally finding a vid that fitted with your agenda though...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..when all you have in your own thread is a straw man argument comment then there really is nothing else to discuss, LT...you're either so close minded that it's pointless or you're baiting...also pointless.../have a lovely evening....well done for finally finding a vid that fitted with your agenda though...

im not sure what point you are making apart from the usual everyone is lovely but in this instance its not relevant and frankly dangerous

[Johnnyuk123]

ammi said...

I would hate that Johnny...a unicorn/rainbow filled world.I prefer humans...balanced humans who aren't hate filled and who have compassion in other humans as their equal and who can see beyond themselves and their fortunate worlds...

Hi ammi,
I have highlighted in bold your words and my response to those words are...

You are a person as are many people in the world with compassion and balance and not hate filled who view others as equal and that has to be commended. You as can many see beyond yourself and your fortunate world. This is i feel a very wonderful thing to read about and i see this not only on here by you but throughout the world by many other passionate people.

BUT....

My question to you and everyone with compassion and love in their hearts for all human beings is...

Q: How do we know that this compassion and humanity can be reciprocated by immigrants wanting to enter and settle for instance in the UK? How do we make that guy in my last video put that baseball bat down and give us a hug instead? How can we be certain that they have the same equal compassion towards your open heart as you? and more importantly can we really be certain that it will be reciprocated back to us?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Q: How do we know that this compassion and humanity can be reciprocated by immigrants wanting to enter and settle for instance in the UK? How can we be certain that they have the same equal compassion towards your open heart as you? and more importantly can we really be certain that it will be reciprocated back to us?

It shouldnt matter.

Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a dancing farage as their pic, I already know your answer and its ugly that its the opposite to most others on the forum.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Youtube video

excellent points by Nigel

Not only does he make great points LT but he is very good looking too!
If i was a woman i'd marry him in an instant!
Just think of the beautiful babies we would have together?

[Johnnyuk123]

If we had twins we could call them Brex and It.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

It shouldnt matter.

Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a dancing farage as their pic, I already know your answer and its ugly that its the opposite to most others on the forum.

Incorrect

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

It shouldnt matter.

Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a dancing farage as their pic, I already know your answer and its ugly that its the opposite to most others on the forum.

I am addressing here, your above opinion - NOT you personally Withano.

This one post typifies EVERYTHING which is so wrong with a lot of viewpoints on this forum:

"Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a dancing farage as their pic,"

This statement is nothing but thinly veiled personal insult and arrogant presumption based upon your own personal prejudice.

It can convey NOTHING else, but that you deem it futile even responding to this member because you personally deem him incapable of rational or intelligent debate solely because of his choice of avatar, and yet, this prejudice passes without a murmur of protest.

But yet, if some member had a gif of a black person and the topic was 'White Supremacy' and I responded to him with your EXACT words there would be a great cacophony of protest on here the likes of which would bring down the walls of Jericho. Let's transpose and see:

"[B]"Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a black person as their pic,"

And is not; "I already know your answer..." arrogantly and sneeringly presumptive?

What about: "...and its ugly..."??

Is not this choice of word not only a strange one, but also insulting?

And as for: "...that its the opposite to most others on the forum." I think the truth is, NOT that the 'answer' you have already 'prejudged' him as giving, is opposite to "most others on the forum" - merely opposite to those few on the forum who engage in this type of debate.

There are thousands of members belonging to this forum, yet only a 'handful' of regularly active ones in these types of 'contentious' debates - and buried away among that huge silent majority who do not contribute, may be thousands who actually AGREE with Johnnyuk and LT's views, but who refrain from posting for various reasons, the least of which, is that they DARE NOT.

Your post in its entirety is very incendiary, and it's 'tone' totally unnecessary, and not conducive to civil debate - in my opinion.

Johnny's opinion is as equally as valid as yours, irrespective of any Farage avatar - dancing or otherwise.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am addressing here, your above opinion - NOT you personally Withano.

This one post typifies EVERYTHING which is so wrong with a lot of viewpoints on this forum:

"Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a dancing farage as their pic,"

This statement is nothing but thinly veiled personal insult and arrogant presumption based upon your own personal prejudice.

It can convey NOTHING else, but that you deem it futile even responding to this member because you personally deem him incapable of rational or intelligent debate solely because of his choice of avatar, and yet, this prejudice passes without a murmur of protest.

Buy yet, if some member had a gif of a black person and the topic was 'White Supremacy' and I responded to him with your EXACT words there would be a great cacophony of protest on here the likes of which would bring down the walls of Jericho. Let's transpose and see:

"[B]"Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a black person as their pic,"

And is not; "I already know your answer..." arrogantly and sneeringly presumptive?

What about: "...and its ugly..."??

Is not this choice of word not only a strange one, but also insulting?

And as for: "...that its the opposite to most others on the forum." I think the truth is, NOT that the 'answer' you have already 'prejudged' him as giving, is opposite to "most others on the forum" - merely opposite to those few on the forum who engage in this type of debate.

There are thousands of members belonging to this forum, yet only a 'handful' of regularly active ones in these types of 'contentious' debates - and buried away among that huge silent majority who do not contribute, may be thousands who actually AGREE with Johnnyuk and LT's views, but who refrain from posting for various reasons, the least of which, is that they DARE NOT.

Your post in its entirety is very incendiary, and it's 'tone' totally unnecessary, and not conducive to civil debate - in my opinion.

Johnny's opinion is as equally as valid as yours, irrespective of any Farage avatar - dancing or otherwise.

[Withano]

This statement is nothing but thinly veiled personal insult and arrogant presumption based upon your own personal prejudice.

Not true, I'm very open to him telling me my presumption is incorrect and he too shows compassion, it was more of an open question than a statement




But yet, if some member had a gif of a black person and the topic was 'White Supremacy' and I responded to him with your EXACT words there would be a great cacophony of protest on here the likes of which would bring down the walls of Jericho. Let's transpose and see:

Its difficult to believe that you think these two examples are comparable.




What about: "...and its ugly..."??

A lack of compassion is ugly to me. More of a generic statement than a personal insult, Maybe my wording here wasnt great.




may be thousands who actually AGREE with Johnnyuk and LT's views, but who refrain from posting for various reasons, the least of which, is that they DARE NOT.

I'll probably never use the words, 'it may be naive of me' again lol.



Your post in its entirety is very incendiary, and it's 'tone' totally unnecessary, and not conducive to civil debate - in my opinion.
Johnny's opinion is as equally as valid as yours, irrespective of any Farage avatar - dancing or otherwise.

Never said yours or his opinion matters less, seems youre the one dismissing mine though, but im not mad, this is the debates section. You, jonny and i are here for debates, this confused you last time too. If youre not here to read your point of view being argued against, id advise arguing less about other peoples.

Theres usually two opposing opinions, theres a place for us all.

[thesheriff443]

People will always abuse the system, millions in this country who have the legal right to live in this country abuse the system and take from those that truly need it.
My original saying is, if you are not doing! You are being done!.

[Suze]

Well put Kirk.

As you say, not everyone will wants to comment no matter their views and just prefer to read forums and keep opinions they have to themselves.

Also what I don't get is if these 'Child' Migrants who are already safely away from the troubles, feel the need to lie to get into the UK, if they lie so easily and are dumbfoundedly believed or not depending on if there is any motive to letting them proceed to enter, I don't know enough on this to comment more, but then if lying comes so easily them, then that should raise suspicions straight off surely and looked into more.

Ignore me if my post makes no sense whatsoever please.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am addressing here, your above opinion - NOT you personally Withano.

This one post typifies EVERYTHING which is so wrong with a lot of viewpoints on this forum:

"Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a dancing farage as their pic,"

This statement is nothing but thinly veiled personal insult and arrogant presumption based upon your own personal prejudice.

It can convey NOTHING else, but that you deem it futile even responding to this member because you personally deem him incapable of rational or intelligent debate solely because of his choice of avatar, and yet, this prejudice passes without a murmur of protest.

But yet, if some member had a gif of a black person and the topic was 'White Supremacy' and I responded to him with your EXACT words there would be a great cacophony of protest on here the likes of which would bring down the walls of Jericho. Let's transpose and see:

"[B]"Possibly a bit naive of me to answer this question when the guy who asked has a black person as their pic,"

And is not; "I already know your answer..." arrogantly and sneeringly presumptive?

What about: "...and its ugly..."??

Is not this choice of word not only a strange one, but also insulting?

And as for: "...that its the opposite to most others on the forum." I think the truth is, NOT that the 'answer' you have already 'prejudged' him as giving, is opposite to "most others on the forum" - merely opposite to those few on the forum who engage in this type of debate.

There are thousands of members belonging to this forum, yet only a 'handful' of regularly active ones in these types of 'contentious' debates - and buried away among that huge silent majority who do not contribute, may be thousands who actually AGREE with Johnnyuk and LT's views, but who refrain from posting for various reasons, the least of which, is that they DARE NOT.

Your post in its entirety is very incendiary, and it's 'tone' totally unnecessary, and not conducive to civil debate - in my opinion.

Johnny's opinion is as equally as valid as yours, irrespective of any Farage avatar - dancing or otherwise.

[the truth]

We are not allowed to ask them for proof of age because it so offends the loony left and the politically correct drivel they invente..so thanks to them every fake child that arrives, means one less place for real children, yet another own goal for the loony left who lead us to ..1) The illegal iraq war and the ensuing disasters and the forming of ISIS and of course 2) national bankruptcy....but theyre less offended by the deaths of 1 million innocents and bankruptcy for millions and more concerned with the term loony left. Petty and deluded to the bitter end lol

[Jack_]

^ the only delusion is you thinking the Iraq war was led and encouraged by the 'loony left'. Last time I checked, Bliar and Bush weren't lefties. And as for national bankruptcy, the corporate greed that led to it is one of the biggest criticisms of the left but whatever, you keep trolling pal