[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I think it's a smart bet.... you win either way. If Trump wins....you are in the UK and have a little coin in your pocket.... if he loses, the whole world breathes a collective sigh of relief....and you will think, best bet I ever lost

Well that was the Helen Wood logic! The only BB housemate I've ever hated, but I was so happy when she won .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To keep Trump out of the UK or... to keep me in .

But anyway, all of my money is going to the new "Sturgeon Wall", which will be used to separate Scotland from England... a 50m tall behemoth decorated in an alternating pattern of Nicola Sturgeon, Alex Salmond, Robert Burns, Billy Connolly and Mel Gibson.

This took up an unreasonable chunk of my afternoon... why have I made this.

[Mokka]

Watched both speeches now... I did laugh a lot a trump for the first 10 mins...but he did lose the plot after that. Hilary was more dry in her delivery... but I loved her ending. It confirmed for my why she will be the best option of the two of them going forward.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree with your conclusion and reasoning that it'll be because people are sick of politics and politicians. No one expected Brexit and it happened, for exactly the same reasons.

...Trump is currently 5/1 to become president on Betfair. I personally think that is a very, very attractive bet and I've made a decent bit on "novelties" betting in the past. I was very tempted to bet on "out" at Brexit but didn't because I was being optimistic and didn't think it would happen. I should have listened to my gut. I'll have money on Trump. Some consolation is better than nothing at all. Helen Wood won me the ŁŁŁ for my PS4 - maybe I can get my PS4Pro out of Trump .

Bet you never thought Helen Wood could give you so many hours of pleasure

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This took up an unreasonable chunk of my afternoon... why have I made this.

....that's actually excellent....and just so that your many hours have been well spent, I think as it's mostly black and white, that I might print it off and do some copies for colouring at school during rainy play times...you could be on to something here TS...painting politics playtimes...

[arista]

Youtube video

[jet]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I don't think a lot of people on here understand the American mind. Americans despise politicians. And when someone comes along who is not a politician even if they are a little crude and rude they consider it to be a breath of fresh air. Just to give you a fair warning: on Nov 9th you may be in for a shock with who Americans pick to be president.

I fear you may be right. Trump's supporters are very rabid and they are going to make sure they get to the polling stations and take as many people as they can muster along with them, whereas his detractors might not even bother to vote for Clinton....
Then there is the fact that Clinton is a woman...I have read many many American opinions on that subject saying they have had a black man in the top job for long enough, they aren't now going to have a woman telling them what to do and next time around it will be gays in the White house. Depressing reading indeed.

[Johnnyuk123]

I just watched it and for me Trump was outstanding and very very funny.
Loved it!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I just watched it and for me Trump was outstanding and very very funny.
Loved it!

He was good for the first 10 mins then his bile spilled out as per usual. I thought Clinton was much more impressive and for the first time I realised she really does have a wicked sense of humour which never comes across as bitter. I'm becoming something of a convert and have to remind myself that she was for the Iraqi war (as was Trump until he decided it was better to pretend otherwise).

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by jet

He was good for the first 10 mins then his bile spilled out as per usual. I thought Clinton was much more impressive and for the first time I realised she really does have a wicked sense of humour which never comes across as bitter. I'm becoming something of a convert and have to remind myself that she was for the Iraqi war (as was Trump until he decided it was better to pretend otherwise).

A great response! But Donald dragged her big time! In my humble opinion of course.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I always enjoy reading your posts (always polite) even when I might not agree with them. Right now, Americans are really, really bitter at Washington. And Americans generally like an underdog. Someone who fights. I've read one of his books and I've seen him with my own two eyes in person. He understands human psychology (at least in the US) in ways that few people seem to appreciate. Hillary has a problem in that she is not a very likable person. When the Clintons were in the White House a lot of people were sick of them. People who want to vote for someone will generally be more likely to go down to the polling station and vote than someone who wants to vote against someone. I really do think Trump is going to win and, to be honest, I don't even think it's going to be close. I think he'll win by at least 5%.

....hmmm, I've been thinking about what you say quite a bit this morning..about him understanding human psychology because I've never felt that from him, that he has..?...but what made me specifically think was all of his cries of rigging/media rigging/voting rigging etc...and on the surface it all sounds very churlish..?..but it's probably actually all calculated as part of his campaign to cry those things because as you say, Hilary is associated with a more corrupt establishment so cries of rigging and that being absorbed by the voters is all only going to increase his voting more in determination to beat the rigging..?.../so yeah huge human psychology...I'm still not convinced that he has a good understanding though, rather than his team do...he still feels a bit 'puppet' to me...

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, I've been thinking about what you say quite a bit this morning..about him understanding human psychology because I've never felt that from him, that he has..?...but what made me specifically think was all of his cries of rigging/media rigging/voting rigging etc...and on the surface it all sounds very churlish..?..but it's probably actually all calculated as part of his campaign to cry those things because as you say, Hilary is associated with a more corrupt establishment so cries of rigging and that being absorbed by the voters is all only going to increase his voting more in determination to beat the rigging..?.../so yeah huge human psychology...I'm still not convinced that he has a good understanding though, rather than his team do...he still feels a bit 'puppet' to me...

I think he understands that this is an election where people want change in Washington and they are sorely tempted to vote for anyone who doesn't sound like a typical politician. It may surprise you but in American politics there actually was someone similar to Trump who successfully ran for governor of Minnesota. His name was Jesse Ventura and he came from entertainment (movies, wrestling) and he always played somewhat of a villain in his roles. He ran as an independent and when he gave speeches he deliberately didn't speak from a script or use a teleprompter. His speeches were not rehearsed and people felt he was authentic. Trump actually is friends with Jesse and, according to Jesse, Trump watched and learned from him how to campaign.

Even if the polls are right that Hillary has slightly more supporters than Trump, Trump has all of the enthusiasm. His supporters feel betrayed by the establishment and the media and they are angry. Watch this video of 20 thousand supporters booing the media representatives at a Trump ralley.

Youtube video

His people will go out and vote but it's not clear that Hillary's will. There actually are some rumors that the media is manipulating the polls (like sampling more democrats than republicans) and that the misleading polls are trying to make Trump supporters feel like there is no point in going to the polls because they lost.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This took up an unreasonable chunk of my afternoon... why have I made this.

I hope the kids got their dinner

Originally Posted by Ammi

....that's actually excellent....and just so that your many hours have been well spent, I think as it's mostly black and white, that I might print it off and do some copies for colouring at school during rainy play times...you could be on to something here TS...painting politics playtimes...

Encouraging the kids to draw moustaches on Nicola, how could you Ammi

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I hope the kids got their dinner





Encouraging the kids to draw moustaches on Nicola, how could you Ammi

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Trump as President and Malaria as first lady...lawd

[the truth]

have to say that line when he says....the media is biased , the election is rigged...michelle obama is beloved , she made a wonderful speech, everyone cheered everyone clapped...yet my wife made the exact same speech and everyone hated it? its not fair

lol and they say he lacks a sense of irony

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by the truth

have to say that line when he says....the media is biased , the election is rigged...michelle obama is beloved , she made a wonderful speech, everyone cheered everyone clapped...yet my wife made the exact same speech and everyone hated it? its not fair

lol and they say he lacks a sense of irony

Bit like some reactions on TiBB