[jennyjuniper]

I'm all for helping those in need, but surely it's only those who can never return to their countries, who would be killed if they did, who should be granted asylum.?
In my language class, when I first came to Denmark there were 22 students. Mostly they were from the arabian countries, but only two (from Sri Lanka) had 'NOT TO BE ADMITTED) stamped on their passports.
These two could never return, because they knew they would be tiortured and killed if they did. The rest from Syria and other parts of the middle east went back to visit their relatives at regular intervals and in my mind that doesn't make them genuine refugees.
While I applaud people who want to help others, please help the needy in your own country. Too often the poor, elderly, mentall sick are ignored while people rush to 'do good' for a popular cause.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I'm all for helping those in need, but surely it's only those who can never return to their countries, who would be killed if they did, who should be granted asylum.?
In my language class, when I first came to Denmark there were 22 students. Mostly they were from the arabian countries, but only two (from Sri Lanka) had 'NOT TO BE ADMITTED) stamped on their passports.
These two could never return, because they knew they would be tiortured and killed if they did. The rest from Syria and other parts of the middle east went back to visit their relatives at regular intervals and in my mind that doesn't make them genuine refugees.
While I applaud people who want to help others, please help the needy in your own country. Too often the poor, elderly, mentall sick are ignored while people rush to 'do good' for a popular cause.

...while I don't disagree with what you say Jenny, I guess the way I see it is that funding doesn't appear to go to those things anyway...it didn't appear to before the Calais situation and it hasn't since..that's the thing, we don't have any say in where these things are focused/government money and our taxes...it's never seemed to be any sort of 'either/or' situation to me...money isn't spent where it should be spent..(or where I personally think anyway..)...not nearly enough invested into a bursting at the seams NHS, virtually nothing into mental health of either adults or children...the homelessness not being addressed..in fact the homeless being fined and penalised for being homeless.../I mean how crazy is that and no addressing of these things sufficiently whether the Calais situation exists or not...those people are there though, they're there now and it has to be addressed that they're there because it's basically being ignored in the hope that it'll all just go away and not exist, but it won't will it...and countries passing the buck of responsibility is just avoidance, just get down to the job and sort it out..these are human beings and there but with the grace of God, they could be anyone of us....

[Ammi]

..if today or tomorrow, the government were to say...look, we can't help in any way at all because this is what we're investing in mental health atm and we also want to do this for others as well.../and we just can't do it all, we have to self preserve as well..?.../but none of those things are visible...all we get is this needs attention and that needs attention and there isn't enough money .../but where is that attention because it isn't presenting itself to be obvious or evident...

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...while I don't disagree with what you say Jenny, I guess the way I see it is that funding doesn't appear to go to those things anyway...it didn't appear to before the Calais situation and it hasn't since..that's the thing, we don't have any say in where these things are focused/government money and our taxes...it's never seemed to be any sort of 'either/or' situation to me...money isn't spent where it should be spent..(or where I personally think anyway..)...not nearly enough invested into a bursting at the seams NHS, virtually nothing into mental health of either adults or children...the homelessness not being addressed..in fact the homeless being fined and penalised for being homeless.../I mean how crazy is that and no addressing of these things sufficiently whether the Calais situation exists or not...those people are there though, they're there now and it has to be addressed that they're there because it's basically being ignored in the hope that it'll all just go away and not exist, but it won't will it...and countries passing the buck of responsibility is just avoidance, just get down to the job and sort it out..these are human beings and there but with the grace of God, they could be anyone of us....

I agree wholeheartedly with you Ammi, but what puzzles me is that the people at Calais are already in a free country. Why the urgent need to cross the channel? Could it simply be that Britain is a softer touch than other European countries?
Also why Europe? Other middle eastern countries should be far more welcoming to fellow muslims surely?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I agree wholeheartedly with you Ammi, but what puzzles me is that the people at Calais are already in a free country. Why the urgent need to cross the channel? Could it simply be that Britain is a softer touch than other European countries?
Also why Europe? Other middle eastern countries should be far more welcoming to fellow muslims surely?

...(my thoughts Jenny..)...is it's just one of those situations that governments/countries haven't want to address or address sufficiently enough so hence the crisis and how it has grown.../just the usual passing the buck of responsibility...well, we've done a bit so now you and well we've done a bit now also.../human lives being passed around in the parcel as it were...I'm sure there are outbursts of hostility as well because I can't imagine the emotions of negativity in having to live day in and day out and month in and month out in such conditions as the migrant camps, it would be hard to keep any type of positivity going and yet some do but those aren't the ones who the media focus on though.../they show the emotions of extreme frustrations with how they're living and say ....LOOK HOW AWFUL THESE PEOPLE ARE...and the people who print these things, how would they be if they were in that situation and living like that.../would they be docile and smiling..?../just ridiculous....

...anyways, as to reasons Jenny..?...it's hard to say because I don't think these things are one size fits all...but many do have some English so maybe the language comes into play, maybe having relatives/friends...maybe feeling the work opportunities could be better here... or just a vision in a head that feels, England a welcoming people and great place and offering something that other countries don't...I guess that people speak about putting the great back into Britain for a reason and maybe we have a far reaching reputation for our greatness as a nation...

[Ammi]

...also Jet...always good to see your lovely face in any section of the forum and at any time....

[Ammi]

..as much as I love France and the French people, it's one of my favourite places in the world....boy of boy does the French officialdom know bureaucracy...no one throws their hands in the air quite like the French..and dealing with something like this which has become a real crisis...?.Lord oh Lord, how those French heads must have hurt...we're their neighbour and an equal part of the joining of the two countries/an equal part of the uniting so we should be helping out to the maximum that we can..and the feeling I get is that we're more helping to the minimum requirement that would fulfil the quota of saying, ok we've done our bit/are doing our bit so that's that...(and the maximum being still using caution as well...)...we can have both I think...humanity and caution...

[Ammi]

..I just think as people, we roll over too easily and so compliantly to our government ..(and this is all governments worldwide I would think..)..when the propaganda scare factor is brought into play in manipulation of our fears...they say they can't sustain and can't do more than they're doing...ok then fair enough if you say so, we trust you...but without that propaganda of manipulation on other things that we feel are wrong...we kick and we scream and we shout in demonstration and say screw you government...


..all of the money that has been spent in making schools into academies because that was the thing of the moment and our children's future...?...now it's grammar schools, so was all of that pointless and unnecessary spending..?..being told when you have a child/a family who desperately needs help/that are at breaking point..that sorry, no mental health care available today, maybe when something awful happens, we'll put you on our desk for consideration...this was never an 'either/or' deal of 'helping our own' and solving our own problems, that's the thing... Britain closing the door on everyone, where is the Great in that...we want to Brexit and get it back..?...well do something and get it back then...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..as much as I love France and the French people, it's one of my favourite places in the world....boy of boy does the French officialdom know bureaucracy...no one throws their hands in the air quite like the French..and dealing with something like this which has become a real crisis...?.Lord oh Lord, how those French heads must have hurt...we're their neighbour and an equal part of the joining of the two countries/an equal part of the uniting so we should be helping out to the maximum that we can..and the feeling I get is that we're more helping to the minimum requirement that would fulfil the quota of saying, ok we've done our bit/are doing our bit so that's that...(and the maximum being still using caution as well...)...we can have both I think...humanity and caution...

Its Pure Politics , Ammi

[:: Why is the camp being destroyed?

A number of reasons. Politics is
playing a big part. France is in
election season. The opposition parties
have pledged to deal with the
Jungle problem. That has prompted
President Francois Hollande,
who is not doing well in
the polls, to do the same. ]


http://news.sky.com/story/why-is-the...wered-10630389