[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..as much as I love France and the French people, it's one of my favourite places in the world....boy of boy does the French officialdom know bureaucracy...no one throws their hands in the air quite like the French..and dealing with something like this which has become a real crisis...?.Lord oh Lord, how those French heads must have hurt...we're their neighbour and an equal part of the joining of the two countries/an equal part of the uniting so we should be helping out to the maximum that we can..and the feeling I get is that we're more helping to the minimum requirement that would fulfil the quota of saying, ok we've done our bit/are doing our bit so that's that...(and the maximum being still using caution as well...)...we can have both I think...humanity and caution...

Its Pure Politics , Ammi

[:: Why is the camp being destroyed?

A number of reasons. Politics is
playing a big part. France is in
election season. The opposition parties
have pledged to deal with the
Jungle problem. That has prompted
President Francois Hollande,
who is not doing well in
the polls, to do the same. ]


http://news.sky.com/story/why-is-the...wered-10630389

[kirklancaster]

I do not want to go into detail with this response because it hardly seems fair to Joey who is absent.

However, I just need to try to explain certain matters.

I have no problem with Joey as a member or as a person, and though we are on opposite sides of the political coin, I do not have a problem with a lot of his posts either.

It was just this one specific post which - immediately upon reading - I took exception to, because of my perception of what Joey was saying in it.

It is significant that another member independently perceived the post in much the same way that I did.

However, at the time I posted my first response, I did not even try to rationalise just WHY I perceived Joey's post in the way which I had.

It was not until Joey's accusatory response that I then analysed just what it was in his original post which caused me to take umbrage.

Thus, the more detailed and analytical response.

The best way, I can perhaps illustrate what I mean, is to use an analogy:

You are given an essay and asked for your opinions upon it.

You you do so.

THEN - you are asked to EXPLAIN the reasons just why you formed those opinions.

Anyway, thank you JET, it is good to see you on somewhere other than just the CBB and BB threads, but I must assure you that it was Joey's post which I was 'jabbing' at - not Joey.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Love you Kirk, I might hate you tomorrow though

But then, I will STILL love you anyway, because I am a fool.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not want to go into detail with this response because it hardly seems fair to Joey who is absent.

However, I just need to try to explain certain matters.

I have no problem with Joey as a member or as a person, and though we are on opposite sides of the political coin, I do not have a problem with a lot of his posts either.

It was just this one specific post which - immediately upon reading - I took exception to, because of my perception of what Joey was saying in it.

It is significant that another member independently perceived the post in much the same way that I did.

However, at the time I posted my first response, I did not even try to rationalise just WHY I perceived Joey's post in the way which I had.

It was not until Joey's accusatory response that I then analysed just what it was in his original post which caused me to take umbrage.

Thus, the more detailed and analytical response.

The best way, I can perhaps illustrate what I mean, is to use an analogy:

You are given an essay and asked for your opinions upon it.

You you do so.

THEN - you are asked to EXPLAIN the reasons just why you formed those opinions.

Anyway, thank you JET, it is good to see you on somewhere other than just the CBB and BB threads, but I must assure you that it was Joey's post which I was 'jabbing' at - not Joey.

..I think Kirk, it is all about perspectives and you took something from Joey's post that wasn't intended in the writing of it.../that happens to all of us doesn't it on occasions...but it was a perspective that I didn't personally have and didn't see what you saw/hence my post also because when something doesn't seem fair and feels personal in some content.../I don't have any perspective other than that and did feel unfair against Joey....you know I will always speak about stuff like that otherwise I wouldn't be being true to myself....that wasn't an attack against you in doing so either, I think you know that...but it is good..(and what I've always said, to step back a bit as well and why it's good to have Jet's take on it as an 'observer' and non participant...)...anyway enough..from me anyway, there is enough on the topic to occupy thoughts and if you and Joey felt that you wanted to discuss more, maybe in private..?.../but that's completely up to you two...

[bots]

Living so close to the channel (its about a 15 minute drive for me), i have been going to France regularly for years. Not only have I seen first hand the change over the years in France, I've seen the change on our side of the channel too.

Nothing stays the same of course, but no-one can say that a constant fight trying to keep illegal immigrants out of the UK is for the better. The camps are not formal, they were created by illegal immigrants so they would be best positioned to try and sneak in to the UK at any possible opportunity.

None of the immigrant centres in France are anywhere near Calais, they have no logical reason to be there other than trying to sneak in to the UK.

What I say may not fit with peoples politics, but it is factual reality. France should have dispersed these camps long ago, before they became centres of attraction for further immigrants that turned them in to the illegal centre it is now. We can't do that, that's for France to sort out, and the action today is long overdue.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Two Afghan men who had spent several months in the squalid Calais camp, and years travelling, had now decided to go home to Jalalabad. They were awake before dawn and carrying the few possessions they had to register at the vast hanger. France has temporarily increased the aid to people wanting to make the journey home to their countries. Muhammad, 26, said: “I’ve tried. I’ve taken so many risks trying to get on the back of lorries. Better to die in my own country than here under a truck.”


No words ...

Why not claim asylum in France though?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Two Afghan men who had spent several months in the squalid Calais camp, and years travelling, had now decided to go home to Jalalabad. They were awake before dawn and carrying the few possessions they had to register at the vast hanger. France has temporarily increased the aid to people wanting to make the journey home to their countries. Muhammad, 26, said: “I’ve tried. I’ve taken so many risks trying to get on the back of lorries. Better to die in my own country than here under a truck.”


No words ...

Yes he is a migrant who is trying t ojump the queue ahead of people who try legitimately to come to the uk and that is if he is telling the truth.

there, you can have these words for free

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes he is a migrant who is trying t ojump the queue ahead of people who try legitimately to come to the uk and that is if he is telling the truth.

there, you can have these words for free

[Cherie]

Not enough buses to take everyone away today and some numbers are now awol

[MrJack]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Two Afghan men who had spent several months in the squalid Calais camp, and years travelling, had now decided to go home to Jalalabad. They were awake before dawn and carrying the few possessions they had to register at the vast hanger. France has temporarily increased the aid to people wanting to make the journey home to their countries. Muhammad, 26, said: “I’ve tried. I’ve taken so many risks trying to get on the back of lorries. Better to die in my own country than here under a truck.”


No words ...

I like that guy. Hopefully he's a role model.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why not claim asylum in France though?

How would I know? Maybe it isn't an option, I'm not a French official.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not enough buses to take everyone away today and some numbers are now awol

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why not claim asylum in France though?

Benefits are'nt as good over there

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Benefits are'nt as good over there

So better to die then obv.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How would I know? Maybe it isn't an option, I'm not a French official.

No, and you are not exactly sherlock Holmes neither...

[Kizzy]

Our team on the ground have informed us that The Home Office have not been allowed to register children today. As such, the most vulnerable group, the under 13’s (who would qualify under the Alf Dubs amendment) are being forced to remain in the Calais camp itself amidst all the confusion and chaos.

Our latest census shows there are 49 unaccompanied children in the Calais camp who are 13 years old or under. All are eligible under the Dubs amendment for resettlement in the UK. There are also many unaccompanied girls remaining in camp who are eligible to come to the UK but who were not registered over the weekend.

The shipping containers on site in the Calais camp were emptied of residents at 7am this morning, on the understanding that unaccompanied minors would be housed there until they were properly processed (either sent to the UK under Dubs or family reunification, or suitable accommodation was found for them in France).

However, the minors already living in the containers were also asked to vacate this morning. Some of the children are being asked to go to the warehouse for registration to queue up to then be sent back to the containers. Others are being told registration has stopped for the day.

This chaotic set up is extremely distressing and confusing for the lone minors, the youngest of which is 8 years old (according to our last census). The younger children are struggling to understand where they are supposed to go, and how they are supposed to get there.

Up to a thousand children are expected to be housed in the shipping containers and at present it appears there is nothing in the way of youth workers or social workers to be responsible for, and help calm these young people and children.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So better to die then obv.

No,Better to get asylum in France or any other safe country they've been through.Unless of course they're not refugees at all.Why do you think Britain is such an attractive prospect?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How would I know? Maybe it isn't an option, I'm not a French official.

Isn't being at risk of death in your own country one of the main reasons people claim asylum? Of course it's an option if it's true

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Our team on the ground have informed us that The Home Office have not been allowed to register children today. As such, the most vulnerable group, the under 13’s (who would qualify under the Alf Dubs amendment) are being forced to remain in the Calais camp itself amidst all the confusion and chaos.

Our latest census shows there are 49 unaccompanied children in the Calais camp who are 13 years old or under. All are eligible under the Dubs amendment for resettlement in the UK. There are also many unaccompanied girls remaining in camp who are eligible to come to the UK but who were not registered over the weekend.

The shipping containers on site in the Calais camp were emptied of residents at 7am this morning, on the understanding that unaccompanied minors would be housed there until they were properly processed (either sent to the UK under Dubs or family reunification, or suitable accommodation was found for them in France).

However, the minors already living in the containers were also asked to vacate this morning. Some of the children are being asked to go to the warehouse for registration to queue up to then be sent back to the containers. Others are being told registration has stopped for the day.

This chaotic set up is extremely distressing and confusing for the lone minors, the youngest of which is 8 years old (according to our last census). The younger children are struggling to understand where they are supposed to go, and how they are supposed to get there.

Up to a thousand children are expected to be housed in the shipping containers and at present it appears there is nothing in the way of youth workers or social workers to be responsible for, and help calm these young people and children.

Yep they brought over the young fit men and let the kids behind, who is organising this mess

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No,Better to get asylum in France or any other safe country they've been through.Unless of course they're not refugees at all.Why do you think Britain is such an attractive prospect?

Yes all around France.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No,Better to get asylum in France or any other safe country they've been through.Unless of course they're not refugees at all.Why do you think Britain is such an attractive prospect?

Putrid smells, freezing temperatures, no sanitation, no security, and sometimes no hope.

The living conditions in the Calais refugee camp infamously dubbed the Jungle are so bleak that even asking people there why they do not want to stay in France seems odd.

"I do not want to stay in France for the same reason I did not want to stay in my home country. They do not treat us like humans here, they treat us like animals," a 35-year-old from Sudan said.

The man, who wished to remain anonymous, explained that everyone in the Jungle just wants to be treated with dignity and respect — something they feel is not happening in France.


Dignity and respect?... you can tell he hasn't been here yet.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/calais...britain-2016-2

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Putrid smells, freezing temperatures, no sanitation, no security, and sometimes no hope.

The living conditions in the Calais refugee camp infamously dubbed the Jungle are so bleak that even asking people there why they do not want to stay in France seems odd.

"I do not want to stay in France for the same reason I did not want to stay in my home country. They do not treat us like humans here, they treat us like animals," a 35-year-old from Sudan said.

The man, who wished to remain anonymous, explained that everyone in the Jungle just wants to be treated with dignity and respect — something they feel is not happening in France.


Dignity and respect?... you can tell he hasn't been here yet.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/calais...britain-2016-2

they would be treated with dignity and respect with good facilities if they went to the proper refugee centres in France rather than going to an illegal one in Calais looking for a sneak in to the UK. So the choice was always theirs ... they can't blame anyone but themselves for their living conditions.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yep they brought over the young fit men and let the kids behind, who is organising this mess

Nobody... nobody is organising anything that is the whole issue, where have you got the idea there are no children, have you seen the news today?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they would be treated with dignity and respect with good facilities if they went to the proper refugee centres in France rather than going to an illegal one in Calais looking for a sneak in to the UK. So the choice was always theirs ... they can't blame anyone but themselves for their living conditions.

And who is to blame for the conditions in the detention centres?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Our team on the ground have informed us that The Home Office have not been allowed to register children today. As such, the most vulnerable group, the under 13’s (who would qualify under the Alf Dubs amendment) are being forced to remain in the Calais camp itself amidst all the confusion and chaos.

Our latest census shows there are 49 unaccompanied children in the Calais camp who are 13 years old or under. All are eligible under the Dubs amendment for resettlement in the UK. There are also many unaccompanied girls remaining in camp who are eligible to come to the UK but who were not registered over the weekend.

The shipping containers on site in the Calais camp were emptied of residents at 7am this morning, on the understanding that unaccompanied minors would be housed there until they were properly processed (either sent to the UK under Dubs or family reunification, or suitable accommodation was found for them in France).

However, the minors already living in the containers were also asked to vacate this morning. Some of the children are being asked to go to the warehouse for registration to queue up to then be sent back to the containers. Others are being told registration has stopped for the day.

This chaotic set up is extremely distressing and confusing for the lone minors, the youngest of which is 8 years old (according to our last census). The younger children are struggling to understand where they are supposed to go, and how they are supposed to get there.

Up to a thousand children are expected to be housed in the shipping containers and at present it appears there is nothing in the way of youth workers or social workers to be responsible for, and help calm these young people and children.

What are u quoting?