[Liam-]

I've always believed that if you have kids and then lose your job, you're obviously entitled to go onto benefits in order to support them because you wouldn't be able to yourself, however, if a person in that situation goes on to have more kids while on benefits, I don't think they should be entitled to more money for those kids, if you couldn't afford to keep the ones you already have, then why would you bring more into the world?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I've always believed that if you have kids and then lose your job, you're obviously entitled to go onto benefits in order to support them because you wouldn't be able to yourself, however, if a person in that situation goes on to have more kids while on benefits, I don't think they should be entitled to more money for those kids, if you couldn't afford to keep the ones you already have, then why would you bring more into the world?

Indeed, yes accidents happen but in the main it's not accidental, it's either down to "taking a chance" or men not taking responsibility because it doesn't feel the same with a sock on it, and they must have the full experience

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I've always believed that if you have kids and then lose your job, you're obviously entitled to go onto benefits in order to support them because you wouldn't be able to yourself, however, if a person in that situation goes on to have more kids while on benefits, I don't think they should be entitled to more money for those kids, if you couldn't afford to keep the ones you already have, then why would you bring more into the world?

Liam
You Are Most Wise

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I've always believed that if you have kids and then lose your job, you're obviously entitled to go onto benefits in order to support them because you wouldn't be able to yourself, however, if a person in that situation goes on to have more kids while on benefits, I don't think they should be entitled to more money for those kids, if you couldn't afford to keep the ones you already have, then why would you bring more into the world?

Totally agree

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I've always believed that if you have kids and then lose your job, you're obviously entitled to go onto benefits in order to support them because you wouldn't be able to yourself, however, if a person in that situation goes on to have more kids while on benefits, I don't think they should be entitled to more money for those kids, if you couldn't afford to keep the ones you already have, then why would you bring more into the world?

THIS ^ is what I think. Dystopian nightmarish scenarios such as compulsory sterilisation by the State should not even be entertained hypothetically. It is rather - surely - a matter for any decent, caring, and mature parents to decide. They should NOT want to breed children that they cannot afford to provide for and give the best possible start in life.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

THIS ^ is what I think. Dystopian nightmarish scenarios such as compulsory sterilisation by the State should not even be entertained hypothetically. It is rather - surely - a matter for any decent, caring, and mature parents to decide. They should NOT want to breed children that they cannot afford to provide for and give the best possible start in life.

No
you make it law that if you have more than 2 kids
the state will not fund them at all.



New Labour MP's
agree with that
of course they are due to be deselected
and replaced with Corbyn
MP's

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I've always believed that if you have kids and then lose your job, you're obviously entitled to go onto benefits in order to support them because you wouldn't be able to yourself, however, if a person in that situation goes on to have more kids while on benefits, I don't think they should be entitled to more money for those kids, if you couldn't afford to keep the ones you already have, then why would you bring more into the world?

Yup, sounds about right.
However I see flaws in this also...as whilst scummy bastards who do see their kids as a meal ticket exist..some people genuinely try not to get pregnant and just have horrific luck. I am not really comfortable with telling someone who has been careful that they have to have an abortion or be 'punished'. Which is pretty much what the options would be :S

I am especially not comfortable with it whilst sterilization is refused to people who already have kids when they ask for it

However I cannot really think of any other solution than the one you suggested.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup, sounds about right.
However I see flaws in this also...as whilst scummy bastards who do see their kids as a meal ticket exist..some people genuinely try not to get pregnant and just have horrific luck. I am not really comfortable with telling someone who has been careful that they have to have an abortion or be 'punished'. Which is pretty much what the options would be :S



I am especially not comfortable with it whilst sterilization is refused to people who already have kids when they ask for it

However I cannot really think of any other solution than the one you suggested.

What's the reason they won't allow you to be sterilised Vicky?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What's the reason they won't allow you to be sterilised Vicky?

I am still young and might change my mind Even though I know I won't. They won't accept that I know myself and my body and my last pregnancy/labour absolutely broke me..I am still suffering from whatever pain he brought on that day :S

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am still young and might change my mind Even though I know I won't. They won't accept that I know myself and my body and my last pregnancy/labour absolutely broke me..I am still suffering from whatever pain he brought on that day :S

What age will you have do be before they agree, and do they refuse men vasectomies

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What age will you have do be before they agree, and do they refuse men vasectomies

No bloody idea, I haven't been able to get that answer.

Also Gav has asked about a vasectomy (though I prefer it to be me, as I don't trust vasectomies after my mum fell pregnant after my dad had one :S ) and they tried to put him off with the 'too young' spiel. Despite him having a ridiculous amount of kids (he has 3 with an ex, and 2 with me) already.

I'm thinking I am going to have to go private, though I am unsure if they will do it or not...the impression I get is private they do anything you want BUT if its not like this I can't be wasting cash on appointments for another no

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am still young and might change my mind Even though I know I won't. They won't accept that I know myself and my body and my last pregnancy/labour absolutely broke me..I am still suffering from whatever pain he brought on that day :S

Most will agree to it fairly easily if you're 30 or over, have two or more kids and can be convincing that you're 100% sure you don't want more... if your GP is being weird about it I'd say just "shop around" GP's until you find one that will give you a referral

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Most will agree to it fairly easily if you're 30 or over, have two or more kids and can be convincing that you're 100% sure you don't want more... if your GP is being weird about it I'd say just "shop around" GP's until you find one that will give you a referral

Maybe will try again next year. I am not yet thirty (only just though )

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe will try again next year. I am not yet thirty (only just though )

Ahh they seem to see 30 as some sort of "watershed" for knowing whether or not you want more kids... which is stupid, obviously. As if something magically changes overnight when you go from 29 to 30.