[Ammi]

Originally Posted by James

From what I can see most people get their opinions on subjects like the EU over a number of years. It's been talked about for ages. Probably nightly TV news is the main source. I doubt political campaigns make much difference actually.

I was looking back, and here is a poll from before the EU referendum campaign that had Leave in the lead - http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=882 before any buses with £350 million slogans appeared.

I'm talking about UK politics here - don't know enough about US politics to say much about the reasons for that. Although for what I can see the campaign there was mostly about personality and character of the candidates, with actual policies hardly talked about.

..Jack_ posted this article in another thread yesterday and it's an excellent read...

https://www.theguardian.com/membersh...uncie-election

..I know it's only one person's take on one American 'middletown' so not necessarily a complete representative or even accurate, we don't know but it does make so much sense also and interestingly suggests that 'character' doesn't play that big a part, with some who voted for Trump possibly not even liking anything about his character, feeling he has nothing to admire about him at all or to be able to relate to etc...but more that he just doesn't represent what is felt has taken away virtually everything that 'middletowns' have been built on, stripped away generations of familiars and left a feeling of such 'abandonment'...immigration is a factor as well and all of the other things that have been mentioned over time, it's a mixture of all of it to the point of a disillusioned society and Hilary, being establishment represented that disillusionment...her 'corruption' not being such a factor and Trump's prejudices not so much either.../it's just the biggest ENOUGH..!!!!!!!!!!!...ever, in saying...where do we fit in, what happened to our world and what did you all governments do for our benefit in progression.../anyways, it's an excellent read if you have time, James...

[James]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Jack_ posted this article in another thread yesterday and it's an excellent read...

https://www.theguardian.com/membersh...uncie-election

..I know it's only one person's take on one American 'middletown' so not necessarily a complete representative or even accurate, we don't know but it does make so much sense also and interestingly suggests that 'character' doesn't play that big a part, with some who voted for Trump possibly not even liking anything about his character, feeling he has nothing to admire about him at all or to be able to relate to etc...but more that he just doesn't represent what is felt has taken away virtually everything that 'middletowns' have been built on, stripped away generations of familiars and left a feeling of such 'abandonment'...immigration is a factor as well and all of the other things that have been mentioned over time, it's a mixture of all of it to the point of a disillusioned society and Hilary, being establishment represented that disillusionment...her 'corruption' not being such a factor and Trump's prejudices not so much either.../it's just the biggest ENOUGH..!!!!!!!!!!!...ever, in saying...where do we fit in, what happened to our world and what did you all governments do for our benefit in progression.../anyways, it's an excellent read if you have time, James...

I've skimmed that article. Here's another one that was linked on here before - http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reason...e-talks-about/

Some people in America will always vote Republican and some Democrat - there's a culture war. There's a group in the middle which decides which way presidential elections go, and from what I can see, I really think the main reason Trump won was that Hillary is so disliked by so many people.

It wasn't really a vote in favour of Trump, and what he's said, but a vote against Hillary. A different candidate would probably have beaten Trump.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

I've skimmed that article. Here's another one that was linked on here before - http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reason...e-talks-about/

Some people in America will always vote Republican and some Democrat - there's a culture war. There's a group in the middle which decides which way presidential elections go, and from what I can see, I really think the main reason Trump won was that Hillary is so disliked by so many people.

It wasn't really a vote in favour of Trump, and what he's said, but a vote against Hillary. A different candidate would probably have beaten Trump.

I agree with that too. It is "anecdotal" of course but while I was over there practically every person we spoke to, spoke of how much they disliked both candidates but disliked Hillary more...alot more