[Saturn]

My lecturer used to say that Foreign Aid is given to procure business deals and allow us to rape minerals etc from poor countries with impunity, that having beensaid i am not sure how we did all we did in Afghanistan for China to get all the good stuff used in mobile phone technology from the ground (I dont know the specific mineral but like they have take most of it)?

[arista]

Why am I paying for India's Space Crafts?


The feckers are Diverting the Money
Kirk


Cut Funding to India
PM.May
We need that Cash now for NHS
as we are NOT out of the EU until 2019.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Why am I paying for India's Space Crafts?


The feckers are Diverting the Money
Kirk


Cut Funding to India
PM.May
We need that Cash now for NHS
as we are NOT out of the EU until 2019.

Exactly Arista. Exactly.

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Exactly Arista. Exactly.

We need it on T-shirts
KIRK

[Kizzy]

Why not then for your own peace of mind surmise that your taxes don't fund international aid, and instead presume they instead fund a myriad of other things?
Like our public services, NHS, education, defence, housing, culture, the environment, pensions, infrastructure, industry or the national debt.
You could say you paid for a window at Buckingham palace if you wanted, if that would be more appealing?

[Niamh.]

Can we debate this without the personal comments please?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Can we debate this without the personal comments please?

Apologies Naimh, I thought we could all play Withano's game.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Apologies Naimh, I thought we could all play Withano's game.

It wasn't directed at just you

[Kizzy]

I don't see Germans bitching about their war reparations...which they are still paying.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't see Germans bitching about their war reparations...which they are still paying.

Do you read German forums then? I always admire people who read other languages.

Oh except that according to several articles and essays on the web they bitched and moaned a lot and never paid that much in reparations.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Do you read German forums then? I always admire people who read other languages.

Oh except that according to several articles and essays on the web they bitched and moaned a lot and never paid that much in reparations.

Which articles are those?...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Which articles are those?...

Google I'm not being the secretary.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Google I'm not being the secretary.

I don't have time to check every unsubstantiated claim on the forum.... I'd be here forever

[jaxie]

Where did the rest of the thread go?

[Withano]

Well as i said originally, page 39. Find any source that may suggest that page 39 might not be entirely true and we'll continue. Otherwise it really is a government-made article vs you thinking 'hmm but that goes against what I thought of it yesterday so cant be true'

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well as i said originally, page 39. Find any source that may suggest that page 39 might not be entirely true and we'll continue. Otherwise it really is a government-made article vs you thinking 'hmm but that goes against what I thought of it yesterday so cant be true'

So you think that page 39 tells you what department in Pakistan gets the aid and what it is spent on? Not seeing of that.

Btw an internet troll is someone who winds people up cleverly on the internet or causes discord and argument in a group.

How is asking for clarification of a statement trolling?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So you think that page 39 tells you what department in Pakistan gets the aid and what it is spent on? Not seeing of that.

Btw an internet troll is someone who winds people up cleverly on the internet or causes discord and argument in a group.

How is asking for clarification of a statement trolling?

More to the point, does it, or does or not mention weapons for Pakistan (anyone)? That was the only argument that you had. Asking for clarification on that closed argument is trollish. Prove it wrong with valid sources instead of discrediting it with your own premade assumptions. I will be ignorin your argumens from now unless they have an ounce of substance.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

More to the point, does it, or does or not mention weapons for Pakistan (anyone)? That was the only argument that you had. Asking for clarification on that closed argument is trollish. Prove it wrong with valid sources instead of discrediting it with your own premade assumptions. I will be ignorin your argumens from now unless they have an ounce of substance.

You don't have an answer so you resort to calling me a troll.
You could just have said you don't actually know.

I don't know that Pakistan spends the aid on weapons, and I dont know they don't. You seemed to think you knew what the money was spent on, clearly you don't either.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You don't have an answer so you resort to calling me a troll.
You could just have said you don't actually know.

I don't know that Pakistan spends the aid on weapons, and I dont know they don't. You seemed to think you knew what the money was spent on, clearly you don't either.

We both know where foreign aid goes. The entire sum of money can be seen in bar graphs. There is no axis for weaponary, that is just premade assumptions that you have unrightly brought into the discussion to further a point. If 0% of foregin aid goes to weaponary across the world, guess how much goes into weaponary in Pakistan. Sorry for the KS2 math quiz but I think we're really stuggling to get past this hurdle.

[Brillopad]

The use of the word ' trolling is often a way of attempting to shut down opinions, can't be doing with it. Easy way out of a disagreement.

[Livia]

We give more in aid than any other country except the USA. So it astounds me that the first thing I read on this forum is Withano claiming we are the most corrupt nation in the world and that only Foreign Aid is saving us. What complete and utter bullsh1t. When people knock out country it just demonstrates a profounbd lack of knowledge.

Why are some countries still in need of aid? Because despite decades of cash they still can't sort themselves out because of civil and religious war, because the leader is feeding cash straight into his treasury, or maybe buying himself a new private jet. We've been digging wells in Africa since Victorian times and yet we're still seeing adverts about how kids are having to drink water than animals have pissed in.

While we have people sleeping on our streets and dying because they have to choose between turning on the heat and eating, then no money should go abroad. If people want to donate personally, knock yourself out.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

We give more in aid than any other country except the USA. So it astounds me that the first thing I read on this forum is Withano claiming we are the most corrupt nation in the world and that only Foreign Aid is saving us. What complete and utter bullsh1t. When people knock out country it just demonstrates a profounbd lack of knowledge.

Why are some countries still in need of aid? Because despite decades of cash they still can't sort themselves out because of civil and religious war, because the leader is feeding cash straight into his treasury, or maybe buying himself a new private jet. We've been digging wells in Africa since Victorian times and yet we're still seeing adverts about how kids are having to drink water than animals have pissed in.

While we have people sleeping on our streets and dying because they have to choose between turning on the heat and eating, then no money should go abroad. If people want to donate personally, knock yourself out.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

We give more in aid than any other country except the USA. So it astounds me that the first thing I read on this forum is Withano claiming we are the most corrupt nation in the world and that only Foreign Aid is saving us. What complete and utter bullsh1t. When people knock out country it just demonstrates a profounbd lack of knowledge.

Why are some countries still in need of aid? Because despite decades of cash they still can't sort themselves out because of civil and religious war, because the leader is feeding cash straight into his treasury, or maybe buying himself a new private jet. We've been digging wells in Africa since Victorian times and yet we're still seeing adverts about how kids are having to drink water than animals have pissed in.

While we have people sleeping on our streets and dying because they have to choose between turning on the heat and eating, then no money should go abroad. If people want to donate personally, knock yourself out.

Christ what source did you use to work out Britain isnt currently or historically corrupt? The bnp daily? If you want to cancel or limit foreign aid and effectively kill off a few thousand children then I dont particularly wanna talk with you about the issue, but I think you should at least accept that compassion ranks higher on some peoples priorities than it does on yours.
USA and UK dont actually distribute the most considering their respective wealth ("profound lack of knowledge" seeming misplaced in your post) and homelessness is a separate issue (around the world) which needs dealing with. Removing all foreign aid for UK problems is grossly immoral, selfish and naive really. Killing off thousands of children to help our homeless is a horrid conclusion which I sincerely hope, you just didnt think through enough instead of genuinely believe.

A homeless guy is contemplating shelter or food and gets -some- help
A poverty stricken child from the other side of the world is dying of a preventable disease and gets -some- help

Why you want to remove aid entirely to one and use that money to go towards solving some issues partially for the other is beyond me. But it is disgusting.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Christ what source did you use to work out Britain isnt currently or historically corrupt? The bnp daily? If you want to cancel or limit foreign aid and effectively kill off a few thousand children then I dont particularly wanna talk with you about the issue, but I think you should at least accept that compassion ranks higher on some peoples priorities than it does on yours.
USA and UK dont actually distribute the most considering their respective wealth ("profound lack of knowledge" seeming misplaced in your post) and homelessness is a separate issue (around the world) which needs dealing with. Removing all foreign aid for UK problems is grossly immoral, selfish and naive really. Killing off thousands of children to help our homeless is a horrid conclusion which I sincerely hope, you just didnt think through enough instead of genuinely believe.

A homeless guy is contemplating shelter or food and gets -some- help
A poverty stricken child from the other side of the world is dying of a preventable disease and gets -some- help

Why you want to remove aid entirely to one and use that money to go towards solving some issues partially for the other is beyond me. But it is disgusting.

Sorry but you aren't convincing people with your constant attemped guilt trip comments about killing children. We are not responsible for The world's ills. There comes a point when we have to give priority to our own.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry but you aren't convincing people with your constant attemped guilt trip comments about killing children. We are not responsible for The world's ills. There comes a point when we have to give priority to our own.

Hahah, this isnt a guilt trip, this is a fact. And its grim if youre comfortable with it, a lot appear to be more than comfortable - practically promoting it. Grim.

We do already give priority to our own. Weird thing to say. What you really want to say is that its time to give everything to our own? Grim.