[Withano]

I can't think of any forms of therapy that would work without an active attempt from the client, off the top of my head. Also if they're not gonna take and adhere to the medication, they wont recover.

It does seem wrong is keeping them prisoner and forcing them to spend their time in something that would not work any more moral?

I don't know about the case you're talking about but I presume there will be an intervention coming up or has that already failed too? People can't be forced into help, but they occaisionally change their minds after interventions from friends and family

Paranoid delusions is best treated (still a pretty ****ty success rate) with a combination of cognitive behavioural therapy and atypical medication. They both require an active attempt from the client or it will fail, and an active attempt still might result in failure.

I've never heard of involuntary treatment, it sounds pretty interesting but I'd imagine the success rate is very close to zero

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Withano

I can't think of any forms of therapy that would work without an active attempt from the client, off the top of my head. Also if they're not gonna take and adhere to the medication, they wont recover.

It does seem wrong is keeping them prisoner and forcing them to spend their time in something that would not work any more moral?

I don't know about the case you're talking about but I presume there will be an intervention coming up or has that already failed too? People can't be forced into help, but they occaisionally change their minds after interventions from friends and family

Paranoid delusions is best treated (still a pretty ****ty success rate) with a combination of cognitive behavioural therapy and atypical medication. They both require an active attempt from the client or it will fail, and an active attempt still might result in failure.

I've never heard of involuntary treatment, it sounds pretty interesting but I'd imagine the success rate is very close to zero

Yeah I was just reading a bit more and it does seem like the sufferer has to be actively involved in the treatments for them to be considered beneficial, I wasn't really aware of that, so I suppose if it's not going to help them then yeah it wouldn't really be moral to force it onto them. Although saying that, if they treat people who don't consent in extreme cases, then it can't be totally useless, otherwise why intervene? I don't know, I think I need to read more about it

I'm not really sure what's happening with the case I mentioned, I heard that there's a go fund me page for her (to pay for treatment) but again, if she doesn't want it I'm not sure if anything would come of it. (Apparently the reason she refused treatment is because she's worried that the doctors will try and kill her )

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yeah I was just reading a bit more and it does seem like the sufferer has to be actively involved in the treatments for them to be considered beneficial, I wasn't really aware of that, so I suppose if it's not going to help them then yeah it wouldn't really be moral to force it onto them. Although saying that, if they treat people who don't consent in extreme cases, then it can't be totally useless, otherwise why intervene? I don't know, I think I need to read more about it

I'm not really sure what's happening with the case I mentioned, I heard that there's a go fund me page for her (to pay for treatment) but again, if she doesn't want it I'm not sure if anything would come of it. (Apparently the reason she refused treatment is because she's worried that the doctors will try and kill her )

Ouch, yeah, that's a trickier case than most. I guess group therapy or art therapy might work better for her.. but I suppose if she thinks Doctors are trying to kill her, then medication is out the window and treating her delusions without minimising her negative symptoms will be difficult.

I don't know anything about involuntary treatment, I'll have to Google it tonight.. I'd honestly imagine its probably less to do with aiding their progress, and just a way for proffessionals to check up on them and keep them away from harm.. note down any unusual changes, maybe hide the weapons, maybe look for blood, bruises or scars, maybe analyse something theyve written down or drawn (I'm imagining it would take place at the clients house?)... Could also possibly be used as a way to gain their trust and gradually ease them into a consistent effective therapy in the best case scenarios... But in the case study you posted, if delusions aren't being treated at all, this probably will never happen because she's only going to get more paranoid with those around her.

Edit: I was wrong, involuntary treatment is exactly what it sounds like. Pretty shocked tbh, but, I suppose if they are a direct danger to themselves or others, then it is the more moral thing to do