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user104658 · 29-12-2016, 10:29 AM

Since every thread at the moment seems to become about this topic within a few pages anyway, I thought we should just bite the bullet and have a thread about it.

Discuss.

thesheriff443 · 29-12-2016, 10:34 AM

I don't waste my time debating issues we don't have any control over with people who don't have any control over the issues they are debating over.

user104658 · 29-12-2016, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I don't waste my time debating issues we don't have any control over with people who don't have any control over the issues they are debating over.

But you will debate debates, so you must feel that we have some control over debates, or at least the concept of debating itself?

My main area of concern at the moment is pondering which gender debates mostly self-identify as... And also which area of the political compass they find themselves drawn towards. At what point do debates reach this level of self awareness and, to what extent do the debaters involved in each debate influence the overall personality of the inconclusion?

Crimson Dynamo · 29-12-2016, 11:06 AM

Well we did debate that child migrants not being checked would and could lead to terrorism and it went the usual way "they are REFUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ, where is the humanity????"

then a fake child migrant killed 12 and maimed a lot more in Berlin

that kind of shut that debate down and we did not hear much debating from that side

Some times reality debates for the win the best....

Brillopad · 29-12-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Since every thread at the moment seems to become about this topic within a few pages anyway, I thought we should just bite the bullet and have a thread about it.

Discuss.

Everything is, or should be debatable. However the reality is that some subjects invoke such strength of feeling in many, on either side of the debate, that things can quickly deteriorate into discord and personal attacks out of frustration over the expression of some opposing views.

Political correctness also hinders the process as people become fixated on what is/is not an acceptable view to express which of course can be viewed as an attempt to dismiss and invalidate perfectly valid opinions.

People rarely really listen to each other and misunderstandings become commonplace.

thesheriff443 · 29-12-2016, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa

But you will debate debates, so you must feel that we have some control over debates, or at least the concept of debating itself?

My main area of concern at the moment is pondering which gender debates mostly self-identify as... And also which area of the political compass they find themselves drawn towards. At what point do debates reach this level of self awareness and, to what extent do the debaters involved in each debate influence the overall personality of the inconclusion?

I have an opinion, it's worth the same as every other poster on here it's worth nothing.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-12-2016, 11:13 AM

also often you are debating with people still to live their lives and as such are still optimistic and idealistic and have not yet realised certain realities of life that come with experience, responsibility and commitment.

user104658 · 29-12-2016, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I have an opinion, it's worth the same as every other poster on here it's worth nothing.

So a sort of debating nihilism, then? People just butting heads for the sake of it... Or maybe for sport? But then, is doing something for sport necessarily worth nothing? From a nihilists perspective, isn't entertainment, whilst still meaningless, in fact worth everything to the individual?

user104658 · 29-12-2016, 11:23 AM

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also often you are debating with people still to live their lives and as such are still optimistic and idealistic and have not yet realised certain realities of life that come with experience, responsibility and commitment.

I agree to an extent but not totally. You're saying in pretty concrete terms that "with age comes wisdom" which is false - and demonstrably false in that you can take two people of the same age, at ANY age, and of comparable life experience, and find conflicting opinion. Thereby negating the possibility of some sort of universal accuracy in "wisdom".

You have to be careful about misidentifying entrenched opinion layered in confirmation bias as "knowledge", "experience" or "wisdom". Sometimes it's just the same old crap that was there in a person's earlier years, caked on and dried out into stinky cement.

thesheriff443 · 29-12-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa

So a sort of debating nihilism, then? People just butting heads for the sake of it... Or maybe for sport? But then, is doing something for sport necessarily worth nothing? From a nihilists perspective, isn't entertainment, whilst still meaningless, in fact worth everything to the individual?

Considering most debates end in, infractions for insulting someone else's opinion because it's not the same as your opinion on a subject in wich no ones opinion means anything, I say it's like poking yourself in the eye over and over.

Cherie · 29-12-2016, 11:28 AM

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Considering most debates end in, infractions for insulting someone else's opinion because it's not the same as your opinion on a subject in wich no ones opinion means anything, I say it's like poking yourself in the eye over and over.

Kizzy · 29-12-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

Well we did debate that child migrants not being checked would and could lead to terrorism and it went the usual way "they are REFUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ, where is the humanity????"

then a fake child migrant killed 12 and maimed a lot more in Berlin

that kind of shut that debate down and we did not hear much debating from that side

Some times reality debates for the win the best....

What side? The side that knows one radicalised individual cannot represent all Muslims/ refugees?
Mind you your 'proof' was a mail article, so forgive me for not bowing to the wisdom of the brownshirts.... their reliability as a reputable media source is debatable

Kizzy · 29-12-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Considering most debates end in, infractions for insulting someone else's opinion because it's not the same as your opinion on a subject in wich no ones opinion means anything, I say it's like poking yourself in the eye over and over.

Amen

Withano · 29-12-2016, 12:08 PM

I suggest that the opposite to all of the above posts are true, fyt me.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-12-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

What side? The side that knows one radicalised individual cannot represent all Muslims/ refugees?
Mind you your 'proof' was a mail article, so forgive me for not bowing to the wisdom of the brownshirts.... their reliability as a reputable media source is debatable

No

what we must do is just check the validity of the "bad ones" and let the "good ones" go through unchecked.

I will alert the authorities on this breakthrough

Withano · 29-12-2016, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

also often you are debating with people who have lived their lives and as such are stuck in the past and can not realise certain realities of modern life that comes with an open mind, responsibility and commitment.

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user104658 · 29-12-2016, 12:27 PM

This thread is sooo meta. Giving me a little tickle down my spine.

Crimson Dynamo · 29-12-2016, 12:36 PM

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This thread is sooo meta. Giving me a little tickle down my spine.

I think we jumped the meta shark already

user104658 · 29-12-2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

I think we jumped the meta shark already

Metalodon.

Though that sounds like a Transformer tbh

Cherie · 29-12-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

What side? The side that knows one radicalised individual cannot represent all Muslims/ refugees?
Mind you your 'proof' was a mail article, so forgive me for not bowing to the wisdom of the brownshirts.... their reliability as a reputable media source is debatable

It would be nice if all this not tarring with the same brush extended as far as Christian priests but hey ho you can't have it all I suppose