[y.winter]

Yes, I had full disclosure at the end of my post. I might be biased, yet I'm far more knowledgeable when it comes to this issue probably more than someone from the UK (vice versa you, British current affairs and I).
Not qualifying a dangerous men with a knife going in for the kill and stabbing as a terrorist just because the BBC said so - I find it disturbing not less than my biased opinion.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Yes, I had full disclosure at the end of my post. I might be biased, yet I'm far more knowledgeable when it comes to this issue probably more than someone from the UK (vice versa you, British current affairs and I).
Not qualifying a dangerous men with a knife going in for the kill and stabbing as a terrorist just because the BBC said so - I find it disturbing not less than my biased opinion.

Thats the crux of it though. All i have to go on is a video and the reporting by all news channels..none of which deacribed the original attacker as a terrorist..he could have had mental issues for all i know. So i can only use the sources at hand and describe the assailant as those sources describe him.

I do emphasise with people and how it obvioisly is an issue closer to their hearts than mine, but i can only comment on what i see and in my opinion what i saw was a cold blooded murder.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by parmnion

All i have to go on is a video and the reporting by all news channels..none of which deacribed the original attacker as a terrorist..he could have had mental issues for all i know. So i can only use the sources at hand and describe the assailant as those sources describe him.

And that's why seeing the full picture is crucial. Do a research. There are facts out there and they are more than "Israeli soldier killed a Palestinian man".
I say things that I know and live on daily basis and I'm not on auto-bias mode.

Not long ago (2016 in fact) we had a couple of crazy months where every day a Palestinian took a knife and stabbed people on the streets, on the bus, on the train station, in a bar, breaking into their houses and slaughtering entire families while they were asleep. Just like this.
So it doesn't come to us as a surprise when a Palestinian and a knife make it to the headlines. Sorry to burst the bubble, mental issues weren't part of it.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by y.winter

And that's why seeing the full picture is crucial. Do a research. There are facts out there and they are more than "Israeli soldier killed a Palestinian man".
I say things that I know and live on daily basis and I'm not on auto-bias mode.

Not long ago (2016 in fact) we had a couple of crazy months where every day a Palestinian took a knife and stabbed people on the streets, on the bus, on the train station, in a bar, breaking into their houses and slaughtering entire families while they were asleep. Just like this.
So it doesn't come to us as a surprise when a Palestinian and a knife make it to the headlines. Sorry to burst the bubble, mental issues weren't part of it.

and i have posted videos of such attacks on here and Livia has discussed them too

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by y.winter

And that's why seeing the full picture is crucial. Do a research. There are facts out there and they are more than "Israeli soldier killed a Palestinian man".
I say things that I know and live on daily basis and I'm not on auto-bias mode.

Not long ago (2016 in fact) we had a couple of crazy months where every day a Palestinian took a knife and stabbed people on the streets, on the bus, on the train station, in a bar, breaking into their houses and slaughtering entire families while they were asleep. Just like this.
So it doesn't come to us as a surprise when a Palestinian and a knife make it to the headlines. Sorry to burst the bubble, mental issues weren't part of it.

None of that has anything to do with my argument. Did this dead palastinian do all that?
Is all that any worse than soldiers firing live rounds at kids throwing stones? We all saw how that can end through the lens of a dead cameraman hugging a shot kid before he himself was blasted of the face of the earth as he lay desperate and helpless..an innocent man this time.

I find it amazing and diagusting that this is the first time a soldier in uniform has been brought to justice for his crimes.


Anyway.. I am not really on about the past, i'm on about this one particular event which for me shows a.soldier in uniform kill an unarmed and neatrolized assailant...

I assume you agreed with all the attrocities carried out by US GI's in vietnam, or is that a stupid thing to say!

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by parmnion

None of that has anything to do with my argument. Did this dead palastinian do all that?
Is all that any worse than soldiers firing live rounds at kids throwing stones? We all saw how that can end through the lens of a dead cameraman hugging a shot kid before he himself was blasted of the face of the earth as he lay desperate and helpless..an innocent man this time.

I find it amazing and diagusting that this is the first time a soldier in uniform has been brought to justice for his crimes.


Anyway.. I am not really on about the past, i'm on about this one particular event which for me shows a.soldier in uniform kill an unarmed and neatrolized assailant...

I assume you agreed with all the attrocities carried out by US GI's in vietnam, or is that a stupid thing to say!

My post was an answer to what I quoted which was you basically saying that you speak based about the few things you saw and read. I gave you an example of how narrow is it to base your facts when you know little.
Look, I don't care if you're for or against the Israeli soldier, you're entitled to have your opinion on that. I didn't support him either. But stating with such a great confidence that the man on the ground isn't a terrorist is what I can't understand.

Originally Posted by parmnion

They quote him and there is no word of terrorist...so until you quote him saying terrorist i will stick by what i said.

Are you out of your mind?! Do you have any idea of how long does the whole thing has been going on? Do you know how many interviews, how many statements have been released since then by the PM, the IDF, Ex-Generals etc? The Palestinian man's actions are old news, we all know his part in the event. The statement was about Elor being found guilty fgs. Are you seriously basing your facts on one statement, one of dozens, which don't even mention the Palestinian? That's it?
It's a joke.

Please define what's a terrorist, because your opinions and allegedly facts are making me worry.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by y.winter

My post was an answer to what I quoted which was you basically saying that you speak based about the few things you saw and read. I gave you an example of how narrow is it to base your facts when you know little.
Look, I don't care if you're for or against the Israeli soldier, you're entitled to have your opinion on that. I didn't support him either. But stating with such a great confidence that the man on the ground isn't a terrorist is what I can't understand.



Are you out of your mind?! Do you have any idea of how long does the whole thing has been going on? Do you know how many interviews, how many statements have been released since then by the PM, the IDF, Ex-Generals etc? The Palestinian man's actions are old news, we all know his part in the event. The statement was about Elor being found guilty fgs. Are you seriously basing your facts on one statement, one of dozens, which don't even mention the Palestinian? That's it?
It's a joke.

Please define what's a terrorist, because your opinions and allegedly facts are making me worry.

I would probably class the dead palestinian as a freedom fighter, someone who believes they have had 1000 of years of history were just taken away from them..i know i would fight back. Maybe not like he did, but i would somehow..wouldnt you?

The court has obviously disregarded the terrorist angle or im sure it would have been mentioned somewhere..it hasn't..so yeah sorry..to me he was a freedom fighter.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I would probably class the dead palestinian as a freedom fighter, someone who believes they have had 1000 of years of history were just taken away from them..i know i would fight back. Maybe not like he did, but i would somehow..wouldnt you?

Killing helpless man on the ground = murderer!!!
(Attempt of) Killing a soldier standing = freedom fighter!
How romantic. Sprinkle some glitter on it to increase the level of cuteness.

The court has obviously disregarded the terrorist angle or im sure it would have been mentioned somewhere..it hasn't..so yeah sorry..to me he was a freedom fighter.

Did you read the verdict for being (again) so confident of your assumptions. Sorry, I mean facts. Does it go by the same rule of parmnion didn't read it = it didn't happen/not true. Weird logic.