[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jason.

That wasn't really my point, moreso "honesty" being seen as justification for just being a prick. (They're both hideous in different ways, imo).

"SAY IT TO MA FACE! LOOK AT THE STATE AV YA xx" I'm having such Helen Wood flashbacks with this honesty talk (Helen's victory was really a sign of what was to come with Brexit and Trump, wasn't it?)

As for the Speidi thing, I feel deranged at this point trying to explain the same things I've been trying to since 2013 but I just don't get what people see in them at all. I mean, sure I get it at face value, but they don't really do the things that people praise them for? The Machiavellian plotting and scheming that they and production promised us last time really just resulted in them isolating themselves and refusing to talk to anyone. All the talk about their gameplay (both in the house and on these forums) just gives me a headache tbh. I just find everything they bring to be painfully contrived to the point where it's more embarrassing than enthralling. I like my conflict more natural, while some people seem to genuinely think that the show can't survive without Perez shrieking in the garden in his underwear or Marc or Bear throwing food all over the house and generally being wasteful. And if you are going to play a part, at least make it a good one and not just the Loud Asshole we are plagued with literally every series now.