[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Most of the Tory government were remainers, including Osborne and Cameron, so don't understand how your hypothesis that the government wanted a Brexit works.

Also if the government are being investigated for human rights abuse and you offer this up as a reason why they can't be trusted then why should we be more concerned about that than the hypocrisy of the EU who are supposed to be the experts on human rights. I think is it very relevant. Why would we want to be in the EU based on that? Supporters of human rights only when it suits it seems. No thanks.

Most of the politicians that were in the Leaver camp have jumped ship now that it's come to pass. Allignments and Alliances in politics are rarely set in stone. Most of the government were on the remain side of things so, if they really WANTED to remain it would have been easy to whip the votes to stop Brexit when it went to the floor recently but it still went through. That's telling in itself.

The conversation is about the UK's Human Rights abuse and the EU investigation, Greece is a separate issue that has little to nothing to do with it and mentioning doesn't change the facts of the UK case, it's just an attempt to muddy a debate that you can't win.

You can talk about Greece until you are blue in the face but it won't change the facts about the EU investigation into the UK's human rights abuse.

I've only spoken about the EU investigation into the UK, I'm not saying that the EU is perfect (I don't speak in absolutes) only that your argument doesn't change the facts which is true. Your unsubtle attempt to paint me as a hypocrite in your last sentence has fell on it's arse because you've misunderstood what I've been saying.