[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What an obnoxious woman, her monologue does not address the issue raised by the lady in the audience, what does it achieve?

If, and this is a big if,there were as many Muslims as could fill America hell bent on the destruction of the west then where are they? There have been over many years the odd disjointed attack that in the west has come from 'home grown' terrorists or converts.

If diplomacy is not the answer and conflict is the only recourse then that would only be viable if this 25% of which she speaks were in the same place... but they are not are they? (if they exist that is)
Those who are experiencing the affects of conflict in the concentrated areas of focus are predominantly the peaceful, how is this justified?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Every time I see it I'm in awe of her ability to puff her trumpet for 3+ minutes and not only fail to answer the question... but not even vaguely acknowledge the question in the first place. Which was;

"My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

Angry Lady decides to imagine that this lady's main point was that most Muslims are peaceful. It wasn't. She even said my question is. She had a very valid question. The answer of course being that you cannot fight an ideology with guns and bombs. But angry ranty lady doesn't want to admit that gradual diplomacy and embracing, rather than demonising, the majority of the Muslim population is the only permanent way to fight Islamic terrorism no matter how angry you happen to feel about the situation, and so she completely dodges the question and vents. And gets a standing ovation. Don't go on a question panel if you don't want to answer questions .

Frankly, I didn't expect either of you to do anything but disagree and even call her "obnoxious" (maybe find out about her background before you call her names). Her message was that the silent majority are irrelevant. Surely that was quite evident?

The Muslim woman - an American citizen - asked a loaded question in the wrong place and got an answer that she - and people who feel the same way she feels - didn't like and so pretend not to understand.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Frankly, I didn't expect either of you to do anything but disagree and even call her "obnoxious" (maybe find out about her background before you call her names). Her message was that the silent majority are irrelevant. Surely that was quite evident?

It was evident. It wasn't an answer to the question asked, though.

The Muslim woman - an American citizen - asked a loaded question in the wrong place and got an answer that she - and people who feel the same way she feels - didn't like and so pretend not to understand.

She asked the question; "My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

And got an "answer" to a completely different question, or rather, a rant about a completely separate topic.

Do you think she answered the question? Honestly?


Q: "How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "THE SILENT MAJORITY ARE IRRELEVANT!!"


...'k.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was evident. It wasn't an answer to the question asked, though.



She asked the question; "My question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How can we ever end this thing if you don't address it ideologically."

And got an "answer" to a completely different question, or rather, a rant about a completely separate topic.

Do you think she answered the question? Honestly?


Q: "How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "THE SILENT MAJORITY ARE IRRELEVANT!!"


...'k.

And Gabrielle replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "you're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?" She also replied that she understood that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany. She also mentioned that the woman who spoke was the ONLY Muslim in the room.

She isn't spouting this from her safe American homeland. She has suffered at the hands of Muslims, her family has suffered, and not just a little. She knows more about the problem than any one person on this forum.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

And Gabrielle replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "you're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?" She also replied that she understood that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany. She also mentioned that the woman who spoke was the ONLY Muslim in the room.

She isn't spouting this from her safe American homeland. She has suffered at the hands of Muslims, her family has suffered, and not just a little. She knows more about the problem than any one person on this forum.

Q: "How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "You're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?"



Q: "OK but how can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "I understand that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany"



Q: "OK... but... How can you fight a global ideological issue with weapons?"

A: "You are the ONLY Muslim in the room."



Q: "OK... but........"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

And Gabrielle replied, and I'm paraphrasing, "you're an American Citizen, why aren't you holding your government to account for American deaths?" She also replied that she understood that the majority of Muslims are the silent majority. And that they are irrelevant... in the same way the silent majority was irrelevant in Nazi Germany. She also mentioned that the woman who spoke was the ONLY Muslim in the room.

She isn't spouting this from her safe American homeland. She has suffered at the hands of Muslims, her family has suffered, and not just a little. She knows more about the problem than any one person on this forum.

Why are you putting words in her mouth?
If she felt the government was at fault then say that, don't attempt to blame the billions of innocents across the globe :/

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why are you putting words in her mouth?
If she felt the government was at fault then say that, don't attempt to blame the billions of innocents across the globe :/

I said I was paraphrasing. Right before the bit you emboldened.

Paraphrasing means that I'm giving you the gist and not quoting her word for word.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I said I was paraphrasing. Right before the bit you emboldened.

Paraphrasing means that I'm giving you the gist and not quoting her word for word.

So basically you are putting words in her mouth? I know what paraphrasing means thanks.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So basically you are putting words in her mouth? I know what paraphrasing means thanks.

No.

I was PARAPHRASING.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This isn't about what ISIS is or what the Muslim faith represents; its about Muslim involvement in an effort to condemn ISIS. I know this doesn't sit well with some of you but for once can you just try to have a little understanding and compassion.

On that note, I'm going to work.

Compassion for what? Most intelligent people know that not all muslims are terrorists, just like all football fans aren't hooligans, or all English people support the EDL, where the problem lies is that people can't accept that we can use the word Muslim terrorist and that we should dress it up as Daesh or something else

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes I've seen that posted on the forum numerous times, as DR said there are literally billions of Muslims therefore if you inject some perspective it's not even relative.

It doesn't matter what the percentage it, it is a fact that a percentage carry out terror attacks, the IRA were a small percentage of the Irish population it doesn't make their crimes any less, also I have seen numerous posters refer to extremists rather than the general population

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We did say Irish terrorist but what was the history behind it? If ever there is terror or destabilisation there we are.
That's not anti British or an exaggeration, it's a fact...an uncomfortable one but a fact nevertheless.

That's not the point, the point is we were able to call them what they were, nobody tried to deny they were Irish terrorists in case we offended the other 99 per cent of the population

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It doesn't matter what the percentage it, it is a fact that a percentage carry out terror attacks, the IRA were a small percentage of the Irish population it doesn't make their crimes any less, also I have seen numerous posters refer to extremists rather than the general population




That's not the point, the point is we were able to call them what they were, nobody tried to deny they were Irish terrorists in case we offended the other 99 per cent of the population

There are terrorist factions from every corner of the globe, what are you going to do ban everyone from everywhere?

Nobody is saying don't call Muslim terrorists terrorists are they? :/

[BritNobleGent]

These are shia moslems that marched

Shia Islam is the second-largest branch of Islam: in 2009, Shia Muslims constituted 10–13% of the world's Muslim population. Twelver Shia (Ithnā'ashariyyah) is the largest branch of Shia Islam. In 2012 it was estimated that perhaps 85 percent of Shias were Twelvers.

Of course shia moslems will be against ISIS (who are sunni moslems), they both hate each other. Two sects been fighting since mohammeds death.


When are 10s of thousands of moslem sunni's going to march against ISIS? Yep, i wouldn't hold my breath.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by BritNobleGent

These are shia moslems that marched




Of course shia moslems will be against ISIS (who are sunni moslems), they both hate each other. Two sects been fighting since mohammeds death.


When are 10s of thousands of moslem sunni's going to march against ISIS? Yep, i wouldn't hold my breath.

Good point.