[arista]

Yes Vicky
1 Wheelchair on the thats fine.

But a Mother REFUSING to move is EVIL
ref : Court Case
She Lost

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Vicky
1 Wheelchair on the thats fine.

But a Mother REFUSING to move is EVIL
ref : Court Case
She Lost

Depends on the circumstances tbh. Would you say the mother in my post above was evil? The one with a disabled child in a large pram that did not move for another disabled person just because their child was younger than the other person (who it actually turned out, could sit on a normal chair)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends on the circumstances tbh. Would you say the mother in my post above was evil? The one with a disabled child in a large pram that did not move for another disabled person just because their child was younger than the other person (who it actually turned out, could sit on a normal chair)

That was one instance Vicky, and of course the onus is not on the disabled child to move, in that instance the outcome of the case would have been different.
It does not negate the need for protections for disabled persons using a service.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That was one instance Vicky, and of course the onus is not on the disabled child to move, in that instance the outcome of the case would have been different.
It does not negate the need for protections for disabled persons using a service.

Of course not. But noone knows the circumstances of another. I have quite strong views on this as I am apparently classed as disabled at the moment given my long history of pain issues and such. I was on a bus a few months back on my way to the pain clinic and some old woman got on and started bawling and shouting at me for sitting in the priority seats when I am 'a young fit woman' and apparently I was just lazy and so on. I was in so much pain that instead of standing my ground I broke down crying, and I never ****ing cry in public. Horrible old witch.

Edit. Come to think of it, I had that before too when heavily pregnant with Skye. Another old woman yelling at me because I didn't offer her a seat...even though I was obviously pregnant and the bus was filled so why zone in on me...

But yeah, I imagine some parents (not just mothers arista) are just selfish bastards who refuse to move. But again, as withano says, just how common is this problem? I never heard of it at all until this one case so its happened...once? It shouldn't happen at all, but this is hardly widespread.

[DemolitionRed]

You make some good points Vicky

I was on the disability key scheme when I was fighting cancer. This allowed me to access disabled toilets when I was out and about. You have this master key which fits into the lock of a disability toilet. There are plenty of none key disability toilets around and before I had cancer, I used to give dirty looks to non-disabled people using that service. I now realize that you don't have to look disabled to be disabled. We should never judge a book by its cover.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course not. But noone knows the circumstances of another. I have quite strong views on this as I am apparently classed as disabled at the moment given my long history of pain issues and such. I was on a bus a few months back on my way to the pain clinic and some old woman got on and started bawling and shouting at me for sitting in the priority seats when I am 'a young fit woman' and apparently I was just lazy and so on. I was in so much pain that instead of standing my ground I broke down crying, and I never ****ing cry in public. Horrible old witch.

Edit. Come to think of it, I had that before too when heavily pregnant with Skye. Another old woman yelling at me because I didn't offer her a seat...even though I was obviously pregnant and the bus was filled so why zone in on me...

But yeah, I imagine some parents (not just mothers arista) are just selfish bastards who refuse to move. But again, as withano says, just how common is this problem? I never heard of it at all until this one case so its happened...once? It shouldn't happen at all, but this is hardly widespread.

Aw Vicky what an ol hag

It won't be all that common no as in the majority of cases there will be some compromise made, I'm glad this was a point of principle though.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends on the circumstances tbh. Would you say the mother in my post above was evil? The one with a disabled child in a large pram that did not move for another disabled person just because their child was younger than the other person (who it actually turned out, could sit on a normal chair)

I think the case of the mother with a disabled child is slightly different. However in general those with buggies, big heavy prams shouldn't be allowed on buses, should move when required to do so.

Also they should not be allowed to leave pushchairs in this space when they sit somewhere else on the bus. It should be folded and put in the luggage rack. If they want their own spaces then perhaps they should campaign by chaining themselves to buses, the way wheelchair users did.

They worked hard for those spaces and the spaces were designed specifically for them. Pushchair users have very selfishly hijacked them.