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Old 24-01-2017, 09:50 AM #301
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It will not be overturned. The people have spoken in a fair and democratic election. Politicians have to reflect that.
I think so too, and then finally, we can start the ball rolling, once and for all.
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I think so too, and then finally, we can start the ball rolling, once and for all.
It won't be overturned but this is going to delay triggering Article 50 further, also there may be amendments, May might also have to reconsider leaving the single market.
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Supreme Court rules MP's have to vote before triggering Article 50
Traitors! Treason! ISIS sympathisers! Terrorism! Get their faces on the front of the Daily Mail ASAP. We need a new "most wanted" style deck of cards and these supposed "Supreme Court" scum need to be the aces in that pack as they are obvious enemies of the British people and I bet they don't even have real Law qualifications, probably bought dodgy degrees from a website in Pakistan.

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It won't be overturned but this is going to delay triggering Article 50 further, also there may be amendments, May might also have to reconsider leaving the single market.
Oh, not so good then! The judges passing the buck, again. In my opinion, leaving the single market is the best way we can really make brexit work.
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Great news, I think the govt thought they were the ones that made all the decisions, well done to the supreme court for proving that we don't actually live in an autocracy... yet.
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Great news, I think the govt thought they were the ones that made all the decisions, well done to the supreme court for proving that we don't actually live in an autocracy... yet.
I beg to differ. The people democratically voted out, so in my opinion the government of the UK should be able to carry this out without all this interference, though at least they did dismiss Sturgeon's demands.
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I beg to differ. The people democratically voted out, so in my opinion the government of the UK should be able to carry this out without all this interference, though at least they did dismiss Sturgeon's demands.
The in or out bit is finished.... that was the referendum, this is something else.
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that dreadful smug woman has done more damage with her futile delay than ever would the actual vote

what a horrible waste of time, embarrassing from the establishment, truly embarrassing
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I wonder if this will have ramifications for any future use of the Royal Prerogative.

This is annoying, pointless bump in the road but at least we are moving down that road.
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@ Nigel and Piers
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Nigel and Piers on the same programme. Thank **** I'm at wrap.
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So in other words, the people STILL don't really have their say do they.
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So in other words, the people STILL don't really have their say do they.
Yes they do. People vote MPs into Parliament to represent their wishes. Which is exactly what is happening here. It is a much more rational form of democracy than having just over 50% of the population vote for something and then giving the government - who far LESS than 50% of people voted for - full control over how that process then proceeds.

People voted to leave the EU. Britain will leave the EU. The vote had absolutely nothing to do with the actual process, single market membership, etc. and so it is ONLY right for Parliament - elected by ALL voters - to have a say in those matters... not the Tory government acting on their own whim with only 37% of the population's support
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Tbh i think this was expected and the government will have planned for this result.Parliament are not going to vote against the people(well apart from Clegg and that other idiot Lib Dem leader).It won't really matter what 'amendments' the remainers try to implement.They will still have to vote on triggering Article 50 and they won't vote against it.
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the only people who benefit from the EU, are the rich and privileged, and its time we had an early election, so as too remove those mp's who are trying to block a fair and democratic referendum that the people voted for, its time we taught these rich elites a harsh lesson, about blocking a persons vote.
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Hi there, I'm someone who benefits from the EU who isn't rich or privileged, nice to meet you
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Looks like all of us who argued that parliament have every right to vote on the repealing and that it would be a striking example of the democracy that certain leavers love so much - have now been proven right

Glad we cleared that up
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Tbh i think this was expected and the government will have planned for this result.Parliament are not going to vote against the people(well apart from Clegg and that other idiot Lib Dem leader).It won't really matter what 'amendments' the remainers try to implement.They will still have to vote on triggering Article 50 and they won't vote against it.
One would hope that each MP would vote according to the opinion and best interests of their constituency, nothing more nothing less... as they are elected to do just that.
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blocking brexit would backfire very badly on pro EU parties, if a snap election had happened this year, all those parties would be dismantled too nothing more than a 4th or 5th rate parties, and many mp's would lose there election standings and council seats, and that's what these guys will not want to lose, the high court blocking will mean nothing when they vote in parliament.
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One would hope that each MP would vote according to the opinion and best interests of their constituency, nothing more nothing less... as they are elected to do just that.
Like most of them care that much about their constituencies. Their own personal opinions, careers and bank balances will be their guiding light.
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Like most of them care that much about their constituencies. Their own personal opinions, careers and bank balances will be their guiding light.
Probably, but that's no better or worse than what others are suggesting (that they should go against the will of their constituency in favour of the popular binary vote country wide). MPs are voted in to represent the will of the people who have voted for them. The opinions and wishes of others are (or should be) irrelevant to the decisions they make?
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One would hope that each MP would vote according to the opinion and best interests of their constituency, nothing more nothing less... as they are elected to do just that.
Then why go to the trouble of having a referendum?
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Then why go to the trouble of having a referendum?
With a binary vote? Good question really. At very least we need to decide which system we actually want to go with .
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With a binary vote? Good question really. At very least we need to decide which system we actually want to go with .
I think there's a problem with that though.
We could vote on the deal before article fifty is triggered but then we may not get any of what's voted on when it comes to negotiation time which is'nt until it is triggered.
And if we vote after article fifty is triggered then the wheels are already in motion so if we don't accept the deal we reach with the EU then we're out with no deal.
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