[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If the so-called extreme right have no business influencing official government policies then clearly neither do the extreme left. Extremes on either side would be equally derisive.

Who are these extreme left, is it a particular person, publication or organisation?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who are these extreme left, is it a particular person, publication or organisation?

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

Let's not get bogged down with what right or left leaning people do or don't say.

I asked what your example of extreme left was and you gave me Jeremy Corbyn based on his view for disarmament.

'In addition to looking at the factors supporting the reproduction of the UK’s nuclear weapons we should look at the political strength of those supporting disarmament. Nick Ritchie’s research into recent polls shows that the British public appears ‘quite firm in its support of global nuclear disarmament’, whilst its support for the planned replacement of Trident is ‘increasingly limited’. A wider question here is what information reaches the public, how it is framed and how salient nuclear and related security issues become. For example, in addition to focusing on the short-term goal of ‘No Trident replacement’ it may be beneficial for disarmament advocates to propose that the UK become a former NWS.

The reason to have this as a medium to long-term goal is firstly that the UK will always be a NWS according to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that, as Scott Sagan argues, former NWS would be ‘more latent’ than states which ‘did not have their technological expertise or operational experience’. Secondly, rather than focusing on scrapping a particular weapons system, former NWS status- as an objective- conveys more appropriately the wider political implications for the UK if it is to live up to its international responsibilities and disarm irreversibly, verifiably and transparently.'


It would seem the majority of Brits agree with him...are they all extreme left?

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...ar_disarmament

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not get bogged down with what right or left leaning people do or don't say.

I asked what your example of extreme left was and you gave me Jeremy Corbyn based on his view for disarmament.

'In addition to looking at the factors supporting the reproduction of the UK’s nuclear weapons we should look at the political strength of those supporting disarmament. Nick Ritchie’s research into recent polls shows that the British public appears ‘quite firm in its support of global nuclear disarmament’, whilst its support for the planned replacement of Trident is ‘increasingly limited’. A wider question here is what information reaches the public, how it is framed and how salient nuclear and related security issues become. For example, in addition to focusing on the short-term goal of ‘No Trident replacement’ it may be beneficial for disarmament advocates to propose that the UK become a former NWS.

The reason to have this as a medium to long-term goal is firstly that the UK will always be a NWS according to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that, as Scott Sagan argues, former NWS would be ‘more latent’ than states which ‘did not have their technological expertise or operational experience’. Secondly, rather than focusing on scrapping a particular weapons system, former NWS status- as an objective- conveys more appropriately the wider political implications for the UK if it is to live up to its international responsibilities and disarm irreversibly, verifiably and transparently.'


It would seem the majority of Brits agree with him...are they all extreme left?

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...ar_disarmament

I think most people in theory would support global disarmament not unilateral disarmament. But even that in these Days of extreme terrorism is unlikely. All good in theory but the reality is not quite as clear cut.

So yes I do still think Corbyn, not the majority of Brits, is extreme and irresponsible in many of his views including disarmament. His personal idealism supersedes his common sense and opinions on what is best for the country in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think most people in theory would support global disarmament not unilateral disarmament. But even that in these Days of extreme terrorism is unlikely. All good in theory but the reality is not quite as clear cut.

So yes I do still think Corbyn, not the majority of Brits, is extreme and irresponsible in many of his views including disarmament. His personal idealism supersedes his common sense and opinions on what is best for the country in my opinion.

Ah, so what other issues can you pinpoint as idealistic and extreme left by definition?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah, so what other issues can you pinpoint as idealistic and extreme left by definition?

Open borders, PC gone mad and its hypocritical belief in diversity in skin colour but not in thinking and free speech and its general devaluing of British/Western culture and way of life, which it seems most other cultures want a piece of despite their refusal to integrate.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Open borders, PC gone mad and its hypocritical belief in diversity in skin colour but not in thinking and free speech and its general devaluing of British/Western culture and way of life, which it seems most other cultures want a piece of despite their refusal to integrate.

I meant of Corbyns... Seeing as you have held him up for scrutiny as an example of 'extreme left'.

'PC gone mad' is a soundbite, it has no definition, 'open borders' has no contextual definition. I fail to see where your link is to other cultures in a discussion relating to the extreme left.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That works both ways with left thinkers often referring to right thinkers who express strong opinions as 'alt right'.

In my opinion Corbyn, for example, would be a an obvious example of extreme left with his open door and unilateral disarmament policies without thought to the potential consequences of such policies.

The alt right are nazis, simple as. It's not about them 'having strong opinions' it's the fact that when people like Richard Spencer speak at events, people will literally agree with what he is saying with Nazi salutes. Nazi ideology and White Supremacy, that's what the Alt Right is.

There's the right wing and then there's the Alt Right Nazis, if you can't tell the difference between the two then that's rather worrying.