[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, a UCL report found that the positive net contribution of EU migrants since 2000 totalled £20bn, compared with a negative figure for native born Brits of £617bn. Moreover, they were 43% less likely than natives to claim benefits and tax credits, and 7% less likely to be living in social housing. Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill, and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is

The media always has and always will create folk devils to keep the public from giving any attention to the wrongdoings of the establishment.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The media always has and always will create folk devils to keep the public from giving any attention to the wrongdoings of the establishment.

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

I'd say getting all of your knowledge of the benefits system from tabloid sensationalism is a lot more impressionable than any student.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

Nope, that's for anyone who feels their civil rights are being eroded and are no longer happy to be led by the nose.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, a UCL report found that the positive net contribution of EU migrants since 2000 totalled £20bn, compared with a negative figure for native born Brits of £617bn. Moreover, they were 43% less likely than natives to claim benefits and tax credits, and 7% less likely to be living in social housing. Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill, and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

I have complete and utter sincere pity for anyone that doesn't think their government should be questioned or held accountable for their actions.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have complete and utter sincere pity for anyone that doesn't think their government should be questioned or held accountable for their actions.

Did I say that. No words in mouths please. What I have little time for are those that see conspiracy theories around every corner and act as though they are the 'enlightened' generation and the first to question the establishment.

I find it idealistic, naïve and downright hypocritical that many are quick to question the establishment but refuse to question religious ideology and oppressive practice in their own countries - basically because it isn't fashionable, PC. They defend the undefendable in their blind attempts to lay all blame at the establishment and their misguided attempts at 'justice'. Western governments cannot compare/compete with religion when it comes to oppression and dictatorships.

I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions whatever race, religion or nationality and PC should never get in the way of that. I too have complete and utter pity for anyone who doesn't think religious ideology and relating oppressive practice should be questioned and people indulging in such practices in this country held accountable. Since when did being a minority put someone above the laws and beliefs of a country. The same rules should apply to all and people shouldn't fear challenging behaviours because the culprits happen to be a minority group within that country.

Idealism and tunnel vision go hand in hand.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Did I say that. No words in mouths please. What I have little time for are those that see conspiracy theories around every corner and act as though they are the 'enlightened' generation and the first to question the establishment.

I find it idealistic, naïve and downright hypocritical that many are quick to question the establishment but refuse to question religious ideology and oppressive practice in their own countries - basically because it isn't fashionable, PC. They defend the undefendable in their blind attempts to lay all blame at the establishment and their misguided attempts at 'justice'. Western governments cannot compare/compete with religion when it comes to oppression and dictatorships.

I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions whatever race, religion or nationality and PC should never get in the way of that. I too have complete and utter pity for anyone who doesn't think religious ideology and relating oppressive practice should be questioned and people indulging in such practices in this country held accountable. Since when did being a minority put someone above the laws and beliefs of a country. The same rules should apply to all and people shouldn't fear challenging behaviours because the culprits happen to be a minority group within that country.

Idealism and tunnel vision go hand in hand.

The media DO tend to create scapegoats because it's easy to get people who want their prejudices validated to buy into it. Newspapers like ongoing narratives since it's easy to report on new developments and they'll get a strong response. The good example of this is the Andrew Sachs mess that happened a few years back, it wasn't actually a story until the Daily Mail reported on it and encouraged people to complain then they spent weeks ****ting out 'follow up' stories which the public ate up.
Why go out and actually investigate a story when you can control the narrative and write 500 words on the latest statements and developments about the narrative on social media?

Everything that Jack stated were based on factual evidence so there's no conspiracy theorising there either unless you're simply denying truths you disagree with.

I also find this 'You can't complain about corrupt governments when there's muslims running about!' suggestion you made to be incredibly foolish. I care more about the government stripping away funding for public services so they can privatise everything than having an irrational hatred of muslims. All religions have fundamentalists, moderates and everything in between, I'd rather focus on what the government is doing than worry about Raheela next door's choice to wear a hijab.

Everything else in your post is just the typical meaningless 'PC BLAH BLAH, YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NAIVE!' bull****.