[the truth]

most great scientists were religious

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

most great scientists were religious

"Most"?

How do you know that? Are there statistics?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, thetruth did repremand Marshy, yes. And then TS, Withano and thesheriff all piled in to have a little pop... even though the post wasn't directed at them at all. And that's the way it seems to go. Calling someone blasphemous is small fry to the ridicule people with faith put up with on here. I mean, how can intelligent people believe in God? They must be stupid or something...

Anyhoo, sorry for guiding this off-topic.

Since when were we only supposed to reply to posts that was directed towards only us. Its an open discussion on a public forum.

[Withano]

The most popular thread on TiBB right now is by a bloke who wants compassion for all men because some other bloke said that women were better than blokes at opposing. Because this is sexist apparently, and all men have suffered greatly at the hands of this man-hating Mark man.

Its time to delete TiBB

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its time to delete TiBB

Then again, the search function works very well.

Originally Posted by the truth

BUT uber have a google spin doctor nw promoting them, she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan. you couldn't make this stuff up..

Cant believe this sort of blasphemy is allowed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

On the contrary I would say that you are very intelligent, and therefore a prime example that when it comes to something as psychologically and culturally ingrained as religion, a person CAN be illogical, ;indoctrinated... and intelligent.



Or to paraphrase... "It is illogical".

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth

she was god parent to david camerons late child ivan.

Originally Posted by the truth

god

There's a capital "G" in God, btw.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yes poor discriminated against men, especially the straight white ones, so much hardship and struggle they've had to endure

You made me snort tea ffs. This is becoming a habit

The comment about scientists being religious though...erm...don't science and religion kinda clash in many vital areas? I cannot imagine a scientist being overly religious tbh

This thread is actually quite hilarious. And all because of a throwaway comment some guy made.

[Kizzy]

For clarification on my view of the subject, not having a religion does not equal not having faith. I'm not atheist nor am I agnostic.

Opposing things is equal between the sexes, as we are first socialised and then conditioned as to what we oppose to as a basis for our views. Whether they be cultural, social, moral or spiritual.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You made me snort tea ffs. This is becoming a habit

The comment about scientists being religious though...erm...don't science and religion kinda clash in many vital areas? I cannot imagine a scientist being overly religious tbh

This thread is actually quite hilarious. And all because of a throwaway comment some guy made.

most scientists over history are religious and they see no conflict. it's called faith. do your homework

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

most scientists over history are religious and they see no conflict. it's called faith. do your homework

Do yours, you're confusing faith and belief in the possibility of a god with religious observance.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

most scientists over history are religious and they see no conflict. it's called faith. do your homework

Fake news.

Historical scientists generally were publicly religious because society was pretty harsh on "Heretics", and also, because academic institutions were often intertwined with religious bodies and they essentially wouldn't have been able to fund their careers if they were openly non-religious or agnostic.

If you're talking about more modern scientists you are also misinformed. Many have expressed a general belief in a creator / spirituality surrounding "the universe" but, again, endlessly, AGAIN, this is not the same thing as following an organised religion. Belief in an "unknown" god is not necessarily illogical. Following a human religious doctrine is.

You might be referring to the very common misconception that Einstein was a Christian. He was not. This generally comes from his "God does not play dice" type comments. Einstein was an agnostic and having just looked it up, he eloquently states my exact thinking on the issue:

Originally Posted by Albert Einstein

The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations.

Ultimate . Human religions seek to explain a concept that is so far beyond human comprehension that we can't even begin to contemplate it, let alone explain it. Human religion is borne of fear of the unknown, and arrogance.

[Kizzy]

And control...you forgot control.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do yours, you're confusing faith and belief in the possibility of a god with religious observance.

no you are and you haven't done your homework

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Fake news.

Historical scientists generally were publicly religious because society was pretty harsh on "Heretics", and also, because academic institutions were often intertwined with religious bodies and they essentially wouldn't have been able to fund their careers if they were openly non-religious or agnostic.

If you're talking about more modern scientists you are also misinformed. Many have expressed a general belief in a creator / spirituality surrounding "the universe" but, again, endlessly, AGAIN, this is not the same thing as following an organised religion. Belief in an "unknown" god is not necessarily illogical. Following a human religious doctrine is.

You might be referring to the very common misconception that Einstein was a Christian. He was not. This generally comes from his "God does not play dice" type comments. Einstein was an agnostic and having just looked it up, he eloquently states my exact thinking on the issue:



Ultimate . Human religions seek to explain a concept that is so far beyond human comprehension that we can't even begin to contemplate it, let alone explain it. Human religion is borne of fear of the unknown, and arrogance.

no that's you're form of atheism you're describing

[Livia]

It's a pointless discussion. If you don't have faith then you don't understand what it is. If you don't understand what it is, people who have it must be indoctrinated. There's no point in a discussion where one side isn't listening to the other.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

no that's you're form of atheism you're describing

It is a direct quote from Albert Einstein .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's a pointless discussion. If you don't have faith then you don't understand what it is

How convenient.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How convenient.

No, actually it's tediously inconvenient.

I've mentioned my cousin before... devoutly religious and a physicist at Cambridge Uni. People have actually told me on this forum that he probably isn't really religious, how could he be? Knowing all that he knows. He can't be a scientist and believe in God! He must be stupid... with his silly PhD.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, actually it's tediously inconvenient.

I've mentioned my cousin before... devoutly religious and a physicist at Cambridge Uni. People have actually told me on this forum that he probably isn't really religious, how could he be? Knowing all that he knows. He can't be a scientist and believe in God! He must be stupid... with his silly PhD.

You're oversimplifying to put words in people's mouthes again Livia. Belief in god (which is what I would call faith?) and observing and following an organised human religion are not the same thing. The former is not inherently irrational but the latter is.

As I said before, I'll continue to correct you every time you (deliberately...) misrepresent this stance.

[user104658]

Also, to clarify further, no one is disputing that SOME scientists follow a religion. Who has said that? What is being disputed is "Truth"'s claim that;

Originally Posted by the truth

most great scientists were religious

Because it is fake news. It is false. It is a lie or a misunderstanding of the facts. Full stop.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're oversimplifying to put words in people's mouthes again Livia. Belief in god (which is what I would call faith?) and observing and following an organised human religion are not the same thing. The former is not inherently irrational but the latter is.

As I said before, I'll continue to correct you every time you (deliberately...) misrepresent this stance.

I always look forward to you poppin on to tell me where I'm going wrong, TS. Thing is, I'm not much interested in your stance. You're FAR more interested in mine.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I always look forward to you poppin on to tell me where I'm going wrong, TS. Thing is, I'm not much interested in your stance. You're FAR more interested in mine.

I'm well aware that you're not interested in my stance Livia, that's evident from the fact that you insist on repeatedly rewriting it in your own words to fit your own worldview and to fit the point that you're trying to make. What is really tedious is having to constantly point out your misquotes . But I will continue to do so, nonetheless.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also, to clarify further, no one is disputing that SOME scientists follow a religion. Who has said that? What is being disputed is "Truth"'s claim that;



Because it is fake news. It is false. It is a lie or a misunderstanding of the facts. Full stop.

the majority over history have been religious. do your homework

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm well aware that you're not interested in my stance Livia, that's evident from the fact that you insist on repeatedly rewriting it in your own words to fit your own worldview and to fit the point that you're trying to make. What is really tedious is having to constantly point out your misquotes . But I will continue to do so, nonetheless.

If you interpret someone's words, it's your interpretation. If someone else interprets your words, they're putting words in your mouth.

You don't believe in God and need constantly to question those who do, to talk about indoctrination and and how illogical it all is. I say, if you don't have faith you don't understand... you call that "convenient".

I believe in God and believe that relationship is strictly between Him and me. I don't care whether someone else does or doesn't believe. I don't want to recruit you, I don't want to persuade you that you're wrong and I'm right. I would just like you to try to understand that my religious belief is mine and if you don't buy it... fine.