[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I used to think it was fear driven, that people's opinions were being twisted an coloured by needless fear, but I've started to worry if the ugly underbelly of the issue isn't actually something quite different.

These people's opinions aren't "changing" out of fear... the climate of fear has lead to an acceptance of views that quite blatantly already existed. The reactions aren't "scary things are happening and I'm worried"... it's "OMG yaaaay people are allowed to say crappy things about people who aren't like us now, I've always wanted to do this but it wasn't allowed for ages but now everyone is doing it so I can too!"

hhhmmm I think it's probably a bit of both

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I quite clearly did not say that, I was countering your suggestion that I have "a lack of first hand knowledge about England", that I am prejudiced against England, and that I am name-calling. A list of "facts" about me that you apparently pulled directly from your own arsehole.

So you didn't call most of the English Xenophobes then? I pulled it from you, you typed it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

More lies? What lies has she told already. Let's have a list?

Google is your friend.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is it? let's see it then.

As I've told you before, try Mr Google.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

hhhmmm I think it's probably a bit of both

I think it's just getting to me lately... I used to have a policy of a 24h ban from the shop if old men started airing their sectarian or homophobic **** openly and a permanent ban if they kept doing it but these days we just have to turn a blind eye as we'd have lost half of our regulars. And that obviously has nothing at all to do with terrorism or immigration fears. It's age-old prejudices that are not related to nationality, that as a society we managed to establish as not really being acceptable anymore, but in the last year there's a very clear attitude of "hehe yasss I can say whatever I want now". Turns out a large chunk of people are just genuinely nasty bigots. People who I would never have thought it of and actually liked some of.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Google is your friend.

Indeed but Teresa Mays lies doesn't bring up anything much so can you be more specific? You will have a lot more luck with your search for Scotland's deficit.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So you didn't call most of the English Xenophobes then? I pulled it from you, you typed it.

If you can quote it I'll paypal you Ł100.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I used to think it was fear driven, that people's opinions were being twisted an coloured by needless fear, but I've started to worry if the ugly underbelly of the issue isn't actually something quite different.

These people's opinions aren't "changing" out of fear... the climate of fear has lead to an acceptance of views that quite blatantly already existed. The reactions aren't "scary things are happening and I'm worried"... it's "OMG yaaaay people are allowed to say crappy things about people who aren't like us now, I've always wanted to do this but it wasn't allowed for ages but now everyone is doing it so I can too!"

That's true, that is exactly what is happening... Those people have renamed hate speech as free speech however.
Notice how there is a backlash against universities that won't allow alt right speakers? They are being attacked for their refusal to allow 'free speech' those accusers know how important it is to poison young minds early, it's a very important time for them.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You think that the UK is better off being independent from the EU even if it means a financial loss.

You think that Scotland should be happy being under London rule if it means financial gain.

That is quite clear hypocrisy.

Of course they are

Who would want to be part of something on its last legs

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Who would want to be part of something on its last legs

So you DO think Scottish independence is a good idea, then.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you can quote it I'll paypal you Ł100.

It's very cowardly to delete your comments. I have no need nor desire for your money.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So you DO think Scottish independence is a good idea, then.

If they want to go and destroy themselves to be part of the EU which will collapse as soon as France vote out then they can.

Once they leave the UK they won't be coming back

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's very cowardly to delete your comments. I have no need nor desire for your money.

He didn't delete any of his comments on this thread

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Indeed but Teresa Mays lies doesn't bring up anything much so can you be more specific? You will have a lot more luck with your search for Scotland's deficit.

It brings up enough to prove it is an ongoing occurrence though and I'm happy that vindicates my accusation.

What if Scotland has a deficit? England has a deficit in the trillions and there is no worry about them being an independent country, it would be hypocritical if that were the only reason.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's very cowardly to delete your comments.

Fake news; you can see at the bottom of the post if it has been edited. Also you quoted it the first time. Have I also altered YOUR post?

Or perhaps, have you just realised that I didn't say it so are now trying to pretend that I've "deleted it"? Even though it would be quite clearly labelled as edited - with a time stamp to boot - if I had?

Come on. A little more work required here, this is just lazy .

[Livia]

Please God give them another referendum and let's be done with this constant whining and bickering. In fact, let the English have a referendum to see whether we want them to continue to be a part of the UK. Let them pay their own way and let Nicola Sturgeon lead them. But once they're out, they're out. They can't come back in a couple of years for another go.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

Please God give them another referendum and let's be done with this constant whining and bickering. In fact, let the English have a referendum to see whether we want them to continue to be a part of the UK. Let them pay their own way and let Nicola Sturgeon lead them. But once they're out, they're out. They can't come back in a couple of years for another go.

As I said the Scottish will be the first to cry when they can't walk into the UK as they please and potentially have visa's rejected

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

In fact, let the English have a referendum to see whether we want them to continue to be a part of the UK.

Yes plz. It will be an overwhelming "yaaarrrr get them out", both achieving independence for Scotland and proving my earlier point about English isolationism. Two birds, one lovely stone.

[Denver]

The Scottish need to realise that Sturgeon doesn't care about them she only cares about being a prime minister and she will do anything to get it including telling lies to the people

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes plz. It will be an overwhelming "yaaarrrr get them out", both achieving independence for Scotland and proving my earlier point about English isolationism. Two birds, one lovely stone.

Erm she doesn't speak for the English... Just as many would be emigrating to Scotland.
Mind you like rats deserting a sinking ship I hope the weight at the top doesn't flip little Britain.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Fake news; you can see at the bottom of the post if it has been edited. Also you quoted it the first time. Have I also altered YOUR post?

Or perhaps, have you just realised that I didn't say it so are now trying to pretend that I've "deleted it"? Even though it would be quite clearly labelled as edited - with a time stamp to boot - if I had?

Come on. A little more work required here, this is just lazy .

It's clear what you said TS and I'm as disappointed in you as you are in the bigots you were chatting about.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The Scottish need to realise that Sturgeon doesn't care about them she only cares about being a prime minister and she will do anything to get it including telling lies to the people

Well, I suppose you do have experience of a PM who would lie through her teeth in order to gain or stay in power...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes plz. It will be an overwhelming "yaaarrrr get them out", both achieving independence for Scotland and proving my earlier point about English isolationism. Two birds, one lovely stone.

Oh please, TS. Most English people couldn't care less whether Scotland stays or goes. In Scotland, however, the anti-English feeling is just a strong as it always was... for years and years and years.... Please don't try to say the English are anti-Scottish. It's definitely the other way around. And it's tedious and old.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The Scottish need to realise that Sturgeon doesn't care about them she only cares about being a prime minister and she will do anything to get it including telling lies to the people

It's worked here for long enough ...who would blame her?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well, I suppose you do have experience of a PM who would lie through her teeth in order to gain or stay in power...

Unlike Sturgeon, who is... perfect. Right?