[Marsh.]

My god, how embarrassing for him.

Being taught the law by the people he's supposed to be governing. Dickhead.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

Yes of course you can. You just choose what youre getting "outraged" about to fit your own agaends, but you clearly do not apply your beliefs universally.

You choose what you're outraged about to fit your own a-gender.




GEDDIT?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What ball?

[DemolitionRed]

Who knew, after ranting for 18 months about a Muslim ban...Trump can't quite convince the courts that his travel ban is anything other than a religious ban.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've used this argument multiple times, it's foolishness to compare what was an isolationist country for many years to a country that was purportedly built on freedom.

Like I've said before in response to this flawed argument, it'd be like trying to take focus off Trump's abuses of power by saying 'well, Kim Jong Il is way worse but no one is talking about HIM!'.

That's part of the problem - people should be talking about the likes of him.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Would they be in the 'free world' or not?

At this rate we won't have a 'free world'.

[Kazanne]

What is the point of being a president when you cant even put in place laws that you think best for your country, I am no expert on the subject,but what is so wrong with him wanting to be careful who enters his country especially in an age where you cant really trust anyone, Can you imagine another 9/11 when people would then be thinking why let these people in,I am no Trump fan but I do see that the constant backlash is a tad over the top,let him do his job,if he messes up that will be his fault and he will be out,the press /media etc need to calm down,it is them instilling fear into people by printing hearsay and fabrications,you get checked going through airports but any Tom,Dick and harry can enter the country.

[Kizzy]

If it were another 9/11 they wouldn't have the border control issue would they that's the point of a hijack.
Presidents don't like PMs have autocracy, or they shouldn't it's not how a democracy works .

[the truth]

neo liberals have taken over the assylum

[Northern Monkey]

Imo the ban is a step too far.I think heavy vetting is appropriate though.
However.He is fulfilling his election promises and it is what America voted for so if it's what the US democratic process has decided then that it what should happen.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If it were another 9/11 they wouldn't have the border control issue would they that's the point of a hijack.
Presidents don't like PMs have autocracy, or they shouldn't it's not how a democracy works .

Why bother with a hijack if you can just walk-in. The easiest method has to be the best from the point of view of potential terrorists.

Instead of calling another mass terrorist attack on American soil another 9/11 it would simply be called something else such as easy peasy 2018 . We need to be reducing the chances of such attacks not making it easier.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Imo the ban is a step too far.I think heavy vetting is appropriate though.
However.He is fulfilling his election promises and it is what America voted for so if it's what the US democratic process has decided then that it what should happen.

He can say what he likes prior to the election, once elected like every other elected leader he is bound by the constitution.
Again, that's how democracy works.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He can say what he likes prior to the election, once elected like every other elected leader he is bound by the constitution.
Again, that's how democracy works.

Democracy is a word often used when it suits. Plenty of remainers would have ignored and overturned Brexit if they had been give the chance.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why bother with a hijack if you can just walk-in. The easiest method has to be the best from the point of view of potential terrorists.

Instead of calling another mass terrorist attack on American soil another 9/11 it would simply be called something else such as easy peasy 2018 . We need to be reducing the chances of such attacks not making it easier.

My point was.. with 9/11 there was no issue of border control as the plane never has to land does it?
Think of the number of planes that come into US airspace from Muslim countries daily.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Democracy is a word often used when it suits. Plenty of remainers would have ignored and overturned Brexit if they had been give the chance.

It's not a word, it's just how we are governed, your opinions on those who voted remain are irrelevant.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My point was.. with 9/11 there was no issue of border control as the plane never has to land does it?
Think of the number of planes that come into US airspace from Muslim countries daily.

We have to deal with that with tougher/rigorous security at airports, but border controls are another method of security. These are dangerous times for all of us and the priority should be to protect current citizens.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not a word, it's just how we are governed, your opinions on those who voted remain are irrelevant.

And yet you don't support the democracy of the Scottish vote to remain in the UK, even though they knew a vote on the EU was coming. Democracy isn't for just when it suits you.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

neo liberals have taken over the assylum

Taken over? They've been in charge for over thirty ****ing years

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That's part of the problem - people should be talking about the likes of him.

There's basically nothing we can do about Kim Jong Un without potentially starting a load of **** with China since they are allies. All we can really do about Kim Jong Un is hope that it all collapses in on the Kim dynasty before long.

The US is basically like a neighbour a few doors down and unlike pretty much every country there's ever been The US's laws and constitution were built on the idea of freedom for all and Trump is threatening that more than any other president. What happens in the US affects the entirety of the west, if a dangerous idiot gets put in charge then it puts us all in a precarious position.

People keep talking about Trump because he's a threat to us, more than Kim Jong Un and any other poorly thought out comparisons to take attention off Trump.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What is the point of being a president when you cant even put in place laws that you think best for your country, I am no expert on the subject,but what is so wrong with him wanting to be careful who enters his country especially in an age where you cant really trust anyone, Can you imagine another 9/11 when people would then be thinking why let these people in,I am no Trump fan but I do see that the constant backlash is a tad over the top,let him do his job,if he messes up that will be his fault and he will be out,the press /media etc need to calm down,it is them instilling fear into people by printing hearsay and fabrications,you get checked going through airports but any Tom,Dick and harry can enter the country.

Because it goes against what the US was built upon and it flies in the face of it's laws and amendments which is why Judges across the US are shooting it down. If you throw out your own freedoms for a sense of false security then the terrorists have already won. The Muslim ban has done nothing and will do nothing to prevent terrorism.

He gets backlash because he's a dangerous idiot that doesn't respect Democracy or the american people and that's apparent by his cabinet. He's out to make things easier for people like himself not for the average US citizen that truly needs the help.

You yourself admitted you aren't an expert on the subject so you really should educate yourself on Trump if you are buying into his bull**** about how it's the media's fault and how they are lying and out to get him. Every time he opens his mouth, fact checkers have a field day. He speaks in nothing but lies and he's constantly caught out. He is getting the same treatment as any other president would if they behaved like he did.

To support Trump is to support Totalitarianism.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

We have to deal with that with tougher/rigorous security at airports, but border controls are another method of security. These are dangerous times for all of us and the priority should be to protect current citizens.

Can we just clarify that border controls and 9/11 are not comparable?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why bother with a hijack if you can just walk-in. The easiest method has to be the best from the point of view of potential terrorists.

Instead of calling another mass terrorist attack on American soil another 9/11 it would simply be called something else such as easy peasy 2018 . We need to be reducing the chances of such attacks not making it easier.

There's been no terrorist attacks post 9/11 from anyone hailing from any of the banned countries. The ban has no security merit, it is literally just a placebo to pacify ignorant people who voted for Trump because he said he wanted to ban muslims from entering the US.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

And yet you don't support the democracy of the Scottish vote to remain in the UK, even though they knew a vote on the EU was coming. Democracy isn't for just when it suits you.

There was a clause for another referendum if there was a significant change, of which brexit would be just that. I don't make the democratically approved rules :/

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can we just clarify that border controls and 9/11 are not comparable?

How did those terrorists get into the US in the first place?
And didn't some of them even get flying lessons there?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's basically nothing we can do about Kim Jong Un without potentially starting a load of **** with China since they are allies. All we can really do about Kim Jong Un is hope that it all collapses in on the Kim dynasty before long.

The US is basically like a neighbour a few doors down and unlike pretty much every country there's ever been The US's laws and constitution were built on the idea of freedom for all and Trump is threatening that more than any other president. What happens in the US affects the entirety of the west, if a dangerous idiot gets put in charge then it puts us all in a precarious position.

People keep talking about Trump because he's a threat to us, more than Kim Jong Un and any other poorly thought out comparisons to take attention off Trump.

By just letting the likes of dictatorships such China and many Muslim countries off the hook by just accepting that is their way and we can do nothing about it compounds the problem.

These people and their ways need to be challenged as religion is often just used as an excuse to indulge in grotesque, primitive practice and criminal acts. This fear some have of challenging such so-called religious practice is not democratic it is cowardice.