[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

How did those terrorists get into the US in the first place?
And didn't some of them even get flying lessons there?

They would have gotten in anyway coming from Saudi and Egypt. Again my point is plane hijacks are not affected by border control.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They would have gotten in anyway coming from Saudi and Egypt. Again my point is plane hijacks are not affected by border control.

Well let's add them to the list then. I don't give a damn about business interests and neither should anyone else. Saudi is one of the worst. Having money and therefore considerable access to education certainly hasn't educated the Saudis'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Well let's add them to the list then. I don't give a damn about business interests and neither should anyone else. Saudi is one of the worst. Having money and therefore considerable access to education certainly hasn't educated the Saudis'.

Right, so that's every majority Muslim country in the world...Why not go the whole hog and ban Muslims from anywhere including converts just in case?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right, so that's every majority Muslim country in the world...Why not go the whole hog and ban Muslims from anywhere including converts just in case?

What's the alternative. Currently allowing so many into the West poses a Hugh security risk to the safety of everyone in the West. There are 2 main choices as far as I can see - the safety of people in the West or the religious freedoms of those wanting to come to the West.

I certainly don't believe the freedoms/religious freedoms of non-citizens should prevail over the safety of Western citizens in the West. Anything else would be Skewered but politically correct priorities.

The West is only a small part of the world after all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What's the alternative. Currently allowing so many into the West poses a Hugh security risk to the safety of everyone in the West. There are 2 main choices as far as I can see - the safety of people in the West or the religious freedoms of those wanting to come to the West.

I certainly don't believe the freedoms/religious freedoms of non-citizens should prevail over the safety of Western citizens in the West. Anything else would be Skewered but politically correct priorities.

The West is only a small part of the world after all.

but hang on, if it's a politician wanting this segregation, does that not make it 'politically correct'?
I see your view as regressive and hysterical, you're coming across as almost paralyzed with fear.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

but hang on, if it's a politician wanting this segregation, does that not make it 'politically correct'?
I see your view as regressive and hysterical, you're coming across as almost paralyzed with fear.

I see the same in you. To me you are fearful of public opinion and being seen as anything other then modern and progressive. At the end of the day 'progressive' is an opinion - what one person sees as progressive another sees as regressive.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I see the same in you. To me you are fearful of public opinion and being seen as anything other then modern and progressive. At the end of the day 'progressive' is an opinion - what one person sees as progressive another sees as regressive.

Too right I'm fearful of regression... Who in their right mind would want to go back to the days of segregation?
The view that it is an option is very telling.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They would have gotten in anyway coming from Saudi and Egypt. Again my point is plane hijacks are not affected by border control.

Well you would hope that they will be vetted.Even from the muslim countries Trump doesn't seem to mind.I can't believe that US border agencies don't check people entering from Saudi or Egypt after 9/11.That would be highly irresponsible.Anyone entering a country is affected by border control.
As i said.I don't agree with the ban or the refugee ban.However vetting is only sensible.