[Jamie89]

Absolutely. I'm not sure about the extras you mentioned, apart from the adams apple shaving the rest are more cosmetic and should probably be treated in the same way as if anyone else wanted them doing.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Absolutely. I'm not sure about the extras you mentioned, apart from the adams apple shaving the rest are more cosmetic and should probably be treated in the same way as if anyone else wanted them doing.

Because it makes me think of Youtube Trans Personality GiGi gorgeous, and how being rich helped her physically transition into a woman, and Caitlyn Jenner. But there must be many who feel as though they can't be themselves because they know they couldn't afford the procedures that go along with making their physical appearance match their true identity.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Because it makes me think of Youtube Trans Personality GiGi gorgeous, and how being rich helped her physically transition into a woman, and Caitlyn Jenner. But there must be many who feel as though they can't be themselves because they know they couldn't afford the procedures that go along with making their physical appearance match their true identity.

The cosmetic things like lip fillers for example though are more about making someone prettier or more attractive, rather than being something that's required to go from being male to female, not all women have big lips so I don't think it should be considered something that's needed in order for someone to become female, so the reason for having them done isn't really to do with changing sex, which is why I think they should be treated in the same way as anyone else wanting them. Male to female transgender people who look up to people like GiGi and Caitlin and want the extra procedures to look like them are in the same boat as women who were born female who look up to whoever it is they admire and wish they looked like.

[Denver]

Surgery can only be done if you are mentally and physically able to do so and that is a reason why many trans wont be able to have it on the NHS

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The cosmetic things like lip fillers for example though are more about making someone prettier or more attractive, rather than being something that's required to go from being male to female, not all women have big lips so I don't think it should be considered something that's needed in order for someone to become female, so the reason for having them done isn't really to do with changing sex, which is why I think they should be treated in the same way as anyone else wanting them. Male to female transgender people who look up to people like GiGi and Caitlin and want the extra procedures to look like them are in the same boat as women who were born female who look up to whoever it is they admire and wish they looked like.

Yes and also transgender people are very conscious about being believable so in most cases male to female will want big breasts, feminine bone structure, long hair etc... and female to male want big muscles. I see it a lot on transgender documentaries where for example female to male don't want to be associated to anything feminine at all and act very masc because they believe that is what a true man should act like. It's quite contradictory and problematic if you think about it.

[arista]

The money is better spent saving people
with Cancer.

NHS should not fund this sex change journey

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by arista

The money is better spent saving people
with Cancer.

NHS should not fund this sex change journey

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by arista

The money is better spent saving people
with Cancer.

NHS should not fund this sex change journey

NHS money should be used for saving people who have all kinds of things wrong with them, it can be spent on cancer treatment as well as other treatments. Transgender people have one of the highest suicide rates as it is, if treatment was denied then that's a lot of people who are going to needlessly die. Is saving them not important too?

[Amy Jade]

I'd start offending people if I went on a rant about this and I don't want to offened anyone.

What I will say is I know of a woman who had to try and raise thousands of pounds to pay for her daughter to have cancer threatment in America because the NHS refused to fund it, that child unfortunately passed away before her 3rd birthday, the mother was told that one of the main reasons treatment was refused was because it was experimental and deemed too expensive and risky.

In my humble opinion 100 people should have been refused boob jobs, genger re-assignment and other non-life-threatening operations and that child should have been given a chance.

I am not against cosmetic surgery at all and actually want a boob job myself but only when I can fund it myself. I also think re-assignment is wonderful and it's important but over somebody who will die? Nope. Sorry.

[jaxie]

I am not sure it should, gender reassignment isn't a life threatening condition and I think that sometimes they throw surgery at something that might benefit from a bit more counselling help. It is only cosmetic since you can't really change someone's gender because they can't reproduce as the alternative sex. I wonder afterwards if it really satisfies the need or if there is a level of disappointment.

[Northern Monkey]

Well i hold the unpopular opinion that trans people have a psychological condition and hacking away at people for mental disorders is not the way forward.So no.I'm not for it being on the NHS.

[iloveaisleyne]

No. The NHS is struggling as it is. Maybe if the NHS wasn't in a crisis.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by iloveaisleyne

No. The NHS is struggling as it is. Maybe if the NHS wasn't in a crisis.

Agreed.

[DemolitionRed]

I've got mixed feelings about this. Gender reassignment is very costly so should only those who can afford it have it done. Is it fare that poor people who couldn't possibly afford this sort of operation, can never be post op trans? Perhaps it should be means tested.

[DemolitionRed]

The NHS is in crisis because the government wants rid of it. If they stopped all this austerity nonsense and started re-funding the NHS instead of selling it off, we wouldn't have a crisis.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The NHS is in crisis because the government wants rid of it. If they stopped all this austerity nonsense and started re-funding the NHS instead of selling it off, we wouldn't have a crisis.

Exactly!

The debates shouldn't centre around why we cannot and should not pay for x and y on the NHS because it doesn't have the funding, the focus instead should be on why it doesn't have the funding in the first place. And it is glaringly obvious that this government is systematically and deliberately underfunding and undermining it. Will people realise before it's too late? I doubt it.

[Marsh.]

Nope. Disgraceful waste of money.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Exactly!

The debates shouldn't centre around why we cannot and should not pay for x and y on the NHS because it doesn't have the funding, the focus instead should be on why it doesn't have the funding in the first place. And it is glaringly obvious that this government is systematically and deliberately underfunding and undermining it. Will people realise before it's too late? I doubt it.

Tragically, too many people refuse to accept this. Government propaganda has clearly worked its magic on much of the nation when it comes to the NHS.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The NHS is in crisis because the government wants rid of it. If they stopped all this austerity nonsense and started re-funding the NHS instead of selling it off, we wouldn't have a crisis.

Maybe the reason they want to get rid of it is due to an ever increasing population putting too many extra demands on it. It is simply no longer viable. People taking out who are not or never have paid in, people wanting cosmetic treatments including boob jobs on the NHS etc.

It seems to have become more about want than need and good old fashioned abuse of what used to be a wonderful system. We have perhaps doomed ourselves to a privatised insurance system.

[Northern Monkey]

I honestly think the NHS is unsustainable these days.How long can you just keep pouring more and more money into the abyss while putting more and more pressure on an already over stretched organisation.People were supposed to be getting healthier and needing to use it less but that didn't happen and the population keeps on rising.
If you increase the population then you do have to increase funding to match the demand but that can't go on forever getting more expensive every year.It's like a black hole.
Serious debates need to be had on the future of the NHS.

[Marsh.]

I don't like the knees I was born with. Doesn't mean I should get new ones for free unless my life or health depended on it.

It's called the National HEALTH Service.

Not to trade your body parts for ones you find more aesthetically pleasing.

[DemolitionRed]

The loss of the NHS has nothing to do with boob jobs or immigrants and all to do with those greedy fecking neolibs who want us all to go down the very lucrative American route. There is so many papers and even books written about this corporate takeover and how propaganda spin has a naive nation believing the government are doing their very best to save it. THE GOVERNMENT ARE LYING TO US and our children will grow up in a world where they won't get medical help if they don't have a very expensive insurance.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't like the knees I was born with. Doesn't mean I should get new ones for free unless my life or health depended on it.

It's called the National HEALTH Service.

Not to trade your body parts for ones you find more aesthetically pleasing.

Sorry, but no.

People who want gender reassignment don't do it because they think it looks better. They're not drag queens

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't like the knees I was born with. Doesn't mean I should get new ones for free unless my life or health depended on it.

It's called the National HEALTH Service.

Not to trade your body parts for ones you find more aesthetically pleasing.

Exactly - most of us have something about ouerselves we don't like , but we either live with it and value ourselves regardless or we save hard to get something done about it. We don't just expect others to pay for it. All this entitlement sickens me tbh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Sorry, but no.

People who want gender reassignment don't do it because they think it looks better. They're not drag queens

I didn't mean look better. I meant for parts they'd prefer.