[Northern Monkey]

The only people oppressing this black lady is other black people.
She destroys the "white privilege" myth.

Youtube video

[ebandit]

.................we are all brothers and sisters under the same sun

.................well? apart from me............i'm whiter than white...'cos
dat sun shines so rarely here......................

Mark L

[Withano]

I honestly think she might be joking

[Wizard.]

I love this woman!

[Liberty4eva]

When someone says it's a "privilege" to be white, I know longer take it as an offense. I know it's a myth but I'll try to take it as a complement. If the person who says "white privilege" by implication wants to denigrate their own race (or gender) and say that being their race sucks in comparison to whites, then that will only hurt them.

It's a privilege to be white!!! It's beautiful and amazing to be white!!! No shame.

[MB.]

...so, erm, moving on...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The only people oppressing this black lady is other black people.
She destroys the "white privilege" myth.

It's not a myth.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not a myth.

Branding people victims from birth doesn't help them.It just holds them back and gives them a giant chip on their shoulder.Give people confidence and tell them they can be anything they want and you never know.They might become president one day.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Branding people victims from birth doesn't help them.It just holds them back and gives them a giant chip on their shoulder.Give people confidence and tell them they can be anything they want and you never know.They might become president one day.

Are you after LTs job? There has been a black president... What's your point?

White washing history isn't the answer either.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you after LTs job? There has been a black president... What's your point?

White washing history isn't the answer either.

Nobody's saying anything about white washing history.Just don't tell people they're underprivileged because of the colour of their skin.Tell them that they're not good enough for long enough and it can become a self fulfilling prophecy.Terms like white privilege are counter productive and problematic.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

It's a privilege to be white!!! It's beautiful and amazing to be white!!! No shame.

You genuinely sound like you're from the 1600s.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Nobody's saying anything about white washing history.Just don't tell people they're underprivileged because of the colour of their skin.Tell them that they're not good enough for long enough and it can become a self fulfilling prophecy.Terms like white privilege are counter productive and problematic.

I agree totally. In the West colour of skin no longer dictates success. It is state of mind that is much more likely to do that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Nobody's saying anything about white washing history.Just don't tell people they're underprivileged because of the colour of their skin.Tell them that they're not good enough for long enough and it can become a self fulfilling prophecy.Terms like white privilege are counter productive and problematic.

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is treated and represented equally in the West?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I agree totally. In the West colour of skin no longer dictates success. It is state of mind that is much more likely to do that.

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is equally likely to grow in to this state of mind?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Would you suggest that each ethnicity is equally likely to grow in to this state of mind?

That is up to them now isn't it. People need to take responsibility for their own success and stop blaming everyone else for their failures.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That is up to them now isn't it. People need to take responsibility for their own success and stop blaming everyone else for their failures.

So no, some people are less likely, and it is up to them to take responsibility?
Thats exactly what white privaledge is, you just single handedly proved its existence.
You suggested that each ethnicity is not given an equal opportunity, but those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility and stop blaming others, Presumably those who are given a larger opportunity.
The imbalance of opportunity, which you are suggesting to exist, is exactly what people mean when they say white privaledge
You suggesting that those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility without a rational suggestion for equaling the playing field is exactly why people are talking about it, its clearly showing no signs of stopping

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

So no, some people are less likely, and it is up to them to take responsibility?
Thats exactly what white privaledge is, you just single handedly proved its existence.
You suggested that each ethnicity is not given an equal opportunity, but those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility and stop blaming others, Presumably those who are given a larger opportunity.
The imbalance of opportunity, which you are suggesting to exist, is exactly what people mean when they say white privaledge
You suggesting that those with a lesser opportunity need to take responsibility without a rational suggestion for equaling the playing field is exactly why people are talking about it, its clearly showing no signs of stopping

Everyone in the West has equal access to education and therefore achievement. At the end of the day is up to everyone how they use that opportunity!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Everyone in the West has equal access to education and therefore achievement. At the end of the day is up to everyone how they use that opportunity!

Thats not strictly true in America, I dont believe there is a student-finance alternative, meaning College is more for the wealthy.
Not incredibly relevant either, you suggesting that there is unequal opporunity in the mindset for achievements which is dependent on ethnicity (aka white privaledge) is what was being discussed.
Or are you now retracting your previous statement, and that there is equal opportnity for ethnicities cos education
Very unclear.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats not strictly true in America, I dont believe there is a student-finance alternative, meaning College is more for the wealthy.
Not incredibly relevant either, you suggesting that there is unequal opporunity in the mindset for achievements which is dependent on ethnicity (aka white privaledge) is what was being discussed.
Or are you now retracting your previous statement, and that there is equal opportnity for ethnicities cos education
Very unclear.

I believe that in the West, especially in Britain and any country that provides free education for all, everyone of average intelligence and determined to achieve by working and studying hard can be successful. Ethnicity is no longer a barrier to achievement, it is determination and self-belief that dictates success. That is the same for everyone.

If people don't value education and don't bother they have no-one to blame but themselves. It is also never too late. There are plenty of opportunities for those determined to make better lives for themselves and skin ethnicity has little to do with it in my opinion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I believe that in the West, especially in Britain and any country that provides free education for all, everyone of average intelligence and determined to achieve by working and studying hard can be successful. Ethnicity is no longer a barrier to achievement, it is determination and self-belief that dictates success. That is the same for everyone.

If people don't value education and don't bother they have no-one to blame but themselves. It is also never too late. There are plenty of opportunities for those determined to make better lives for themselves and skin ethnicity has little to do with it in my opinion.

Yeah, I was more talking about America, I actually agree with you here, and will probs piss off others by saying I think White-privilege is more of an American issue (but not non-existent in Europe).
However, you have made the claim that a mindset for achievement is influenced by ethnicity, obviously a mindset for achievement influences achievement, and therefore success, education and wealth in the long run.
I'm not sure if you were talking about the entire West, or just America? But this is white privilege. The unequal balance favouring caucasians by default, and you have made it clear that you believe that this difference exists in the mindset for achievement, others believe that it extends further than this.
So looks like we're both in agreement that white privalege exists, would you like to discuss anything else?

[Tom4784]

White Privilege is a thing, no matter what this Stacey Dash wannabe has to say.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

White Privilege is a thing, no matter what this Stacey Dash wannabe has to say.

Are you living proof?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Are you living proof?

Can you understand the irony of you saying that with a pic of Alf Garnett?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can you understand the irony of you saying that with a pic of Alf Garnett?

No I can't! could you tell me what the irony is please?

[Kizzy]