[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh there's no doubt austerity is a myth, I'm confused as to why if cameron wanted TTIP he advocated remain?

Europe or should I say, European governments were as much for this trade deal as Cameron. It was only France who was still against carving up the free market but this proposed deal was quickly gaining prominence within our EU neoliberal theocracy…. This was an EU-US trade deal and regardless of public apposition, past experience proves there was nothing we could do about what the EU were scheming under the cover of darkness.

Thing is too if we leave the EU with no deal and have to take a seat in the WTO is that not signing up for TTIP with not only the EU but the world?...

New and complex deals have to be made and adjusted to suit everyone but we don't want TTIP or its ugly sister, the CETA Treaty. These deals were the lubricant needed to finalize the selling off British assets like the NHS. People claim, if it wasn't for Trump we would of gone ahead regardless but a stand alone Britain would have had enormous difficulty securing itself in such massive trade deal because of its size and complexities.

For too long, our governments have been selling off anything that isn't nailed down.

We had issue with the free movement attatched to the EU, what if we are forced to trade with free movement from other countries? Ones we don't share religions, cultures, customs or basic human rights with?

I really don't think there has been enough forward thinking.

I think a lot of people are confused re-free movement. Europeans have always brought vast wealth into Britain and its not the Europeans who's traditions and way of life don't work in harmony with ours... (according to some). I like free movement within our European borders but then I've used those open borders to my own advantage too. I have though, had my identity/visa and right of travel heavily scrutinized when visiting lands outside the EU; just as those outside the EU have when visiting Britain

Sorry, I'm wandering away from your question. I don't believe free movement for trade deals outside of Europe will happen anytime soon. I would hate to think Americans could just walk in on an ID card!! We heavily rely on immigration, we always will and so regardless of what people believe, little will change on that score.