[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I see the EU as the core of neoliberal politics and because Britain is the essence of what the EU was founded on, for too long it hasn't had to answer for its own poor politics. Nobody was questioning 'austerity' and as you and I both know Kizzy, 'austerity is a big con. Without the EU, we can at last hold the Tory government to account. Already the Lords are taking more notice of public opinion and May is, at least so far, treading very carefully.

Cameron was the leading force behind the transatlantic trade deals and without him behind that driving wheel, those deals quickly fell under a bus.

As for immigrants, what scapegoaters fail to consider is the £billions brought into this economy from immigration alone... without immigrants, we would become both insular and poorer. What people don't get is, if we want to
reduce migrant labour, we need to also reduce our need for migrant labour. But anyway, the only immigrants affected by Brexit are those who are members of the European Union. It makes not a scrap of difference to the Africans, Orientals, Arabs or Middle Easterns...for them it will be a visa application as usual. Having worked with immigrants from people outside of the EU, I have a full understanding of the tough process these immigrants have to go through if they want to live and work in the UK. That won't change. We have never had open borders for anyone outside the EU and its doubtful we ever will.

Oh there's no doubt austerity is a myth, I'm confused as to why if cameron wanted TTIP he advocated remain?
Thing is too if we leave the EU with no deal and have to take a seat in the WTO is that not signing up for TTIP with not only the EU but the world?...

We had issue with the free movement attatched to the EU, what if we are forced to trade with free movement from other countries? Ones we don't share religions, cultures, customs or basic human rights with?

I really don't think there has been enough forward thinking.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh there's no doubt austerity is a myth, I'm confused as to why if cameron wanted TTIP he advocated remain?

Europe or should I say, European governments were as much for this trade deal as Cameron. It was only France who was still against carving up the free market but this proposed deal was quickly gaining prominence within our EU neoliberal theocracy…. This was an EU-US trade deal and regardless of public apposition, past experience proves there was nothing we could do about what the EU were scheming under the cover of darkness.

Thing is too if we leave the EU with no deal and have to take a seat in the WTO is that not signing up for TTIP with not only the EU but the world?...

New and complex deals have to be made and adjusted to suit everyone but we don't want TTIP or its ugly sister, the CETA Treaty. These deals were the lubricant needed to finalize the selling off British assets like the NHS. People claim, if it wasn't for Trump we would of gone ahead regardless but a stand alone Britain would have had enormous difficulty securing itself in such massive trade deal because of its size and complexities.

For too long, our governments have been selling off anything that isn't nailed down.

We had issue with the free movement attatched to the EU, what if we are forced to trade with free movement from other countries? Ones we don't share religions, cultures, customs or basic human rights with?

I really don't think there has been enough forward thinking.

I think a lot of people are confused re-free movement. Europeans have always brought vast wealth into Britain and its not the Europeans who's traditions and way of life don't work in harmony with ours... (according to some). I like free movement within our European borders but then I've used those open borders to my own advantage too. I have though, had my identity/visa and right of travel heavily scrutinized when visiting lands outside the EU; just as those outside the EU have when visiting Britain

Sorry, I'm wandering away from your question. I don't believe free movement for trade deals outside of Europe will happen anytime soon. I would hate to think Americans could just walk in on an ID card!! We heavily rely on immigration, we always will and so regardless of what people believe, little will change on that score.