[Northern Monkey]

What do you think?
Are they too low?
Just right?
Or too high?

Interesting to hear how tibb views Britains immigration

[Greg!]

Depends on the location. Some places need more immigrants (Scotland) but there are definitely pressures in a few places in England. On the whole immigration is a great thing tho

[Brillopad]

Too high without a doubt.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Depends on the location. Some places need more immigrants (Scotland) but there are definitely pressures in a few places in England. On the whole immigration is a great thing tho

I also think immigration is a good thing......


Just not too much of it.I'm of the opinion that it's too high now.I think a sensible target should be achieved

[Jamie89]

What are the current immigration levels in Britain? I have no idea tbh what they even are. Speaking for myself personally though, I haven't noticed that there's too much and in principle I'm all for it, so it's not something I've felt the need to look into.

[Withano]

Aw twinny, I nearly made this exact same thread today

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Too high without a doubt.

Why?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I also think immigration is a good thing......


Just not too much of it.I'm of the opinion that it's too high now.I think a sensible target should be achieved

What should the target be? 20%? 10%?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

What are the current immigration levels in Britain? I have no idea tbh what they even are. Speaking for myself personally though, I haven't noticed that there's too much and in principle I'm all for it, so it's not something I've felt the need to look into.

I found this if anyone else doesn't know...

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/sta...ion-statistics

I don't fully understand from it what would be considered too much though

[Tom4784]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...d-to-be-596000

EU Immigration has increased in some areas but decreased in others.
Non-EU immigration is down.
British Immigration (IE emigrants returning and people with Brittish Citizenship that have never been the UK before) is down.

There's more details regarding other forms of immigration in the link but I've just covered immigration based on immigrant's locations for now.

I've always thought immigration has always been an overblown point used by politicians to sway the easily led to their point of view. The problems facing our country are down to the Tory government attempting to privatise public services, it's just not realistic to think that they are being pushed to breaking point by immigration.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

What should the target be? 20%? 10%?

Well the governments target was 100,000 per yearObviously what they deem to be a sensible amount.It's now nearly 3 times that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well the governments target was 100,000 per yearObviously what they deem to be a sensible amount.It's now nearly 3 times that.

Does that figure include refugees? I think its sensible to allow a bit more if people are living in warzones.

So you're suggesting it should be reduced by two thirds, do you have a reason why?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

Does that figure include refugees? I think its sensible to allow a bit more if people are living in warzones.

So you're suggesting it should be reduced by two thirds, do you have a reason why?

I think we should re-home more refugees than we are doing.That would be possible if we weren't already over stretching our infrastructure.
Refugees and the skills we need should be priority imo.Not just mass immigration of anybody who wants in.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...d-to-be-596000

EU Immigration has increased in some areas but decreased in others.
Non-EU immigration is down.
British Immigration (IE emigrants returning and people with Brittish Citizenship that have never been the UK before) is down.

There's more details regarding other forms of immigration in the link but I've just covered immigration based on immigrant's locations for now.

I've always thought immigration has always been an overblown point used by politicians to sway the easily led to their point of view. The problems facing our country are down to the Tory government attempting to privatise public services, it's just not realistic to think that they are being pushed to breaking point by immigration.

I take from that that immigration isn't actually the big problem it's made out to be, as in it hasn't been increasing, so at worst the issue is that our ability to handle immigration is the problem... but I don't get why that would suddenly be the case

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think we should re-home more refugees than we are doing.That would be possible if we weren't already over stretching our infrastructure.
Refugees and the skills we need should be priority imo.Not just mass immigration of anybody who wants in.

Genuine refugees only though and this needs to be thoroughly checked.

[Firewire]

Based on Scotland it's too low

[Northern Monkey]

Call me crazy but......

Wouldn't you think the sensible option would be to make sure we can handle the numbers we bring in before bringing them in?

Not just say all pile in and watch the fireworks

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Genuine refugees only though and this needs to be thoroughly checked.

Yeah definitely.From the official refugee camps

[user104658]

It's at about the right level, but the distribution is currently a bit skewed.

Anyone who thinks immigration is too high (and dare I say it, probably thinks that ANY immigration is too much immigration) doesn't understand the disastrous effect that a declining population has on an economy.

Somewhat hilariously... it's usually the same people who want immigration who ALSO think that people should only have children after their careers have taken off. So we don't want immigrants... but we also don't want too many people having children . Hmmmm OK.

You're going to have to choose I'm afraid. Accept more immigration, or encourage young adults who are already here to get breeding and support them in doing so. You CAN'T advocate for "neither". The economy would implode.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...d-to-be-596000

EU Immigration has increased in some areas but decreased in others.
Non-EU immigration is down.
British Immigration (IE emigrants returning and people with Brittish Citizenship that have never been the UK before) is down.

There's more details regarding other forms of immigration in the link but I've just covered immigration based on immigrant's locations for now.

I've always thought immigration has always been an overblown point used by politicians to sway the easily led to their point of view. The problems facing our country are down to the Tory government attempting to privatise public services, it's just not realistic to think that they are being pushed to breaking point by immigration.

This is very much the case.

When we measure immigration we need to tally that with emigration and like you mentioned, immigration includes British citizens returning from abroad.

Its interesting that the net flow for 2016 was the same as the net flow in 2004 and 2006 and in 2012 - 2013 net figures troughed down to 2002 figures.

[Cherie]

I don't think it is too high, I think its concentrated in areas where there is work so obviously that stretches school places, health services, transport, housing and that issue needs to be addressed.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Depends on the location. Some places need more immigrants (Scotland) but there are definitely pressures in a few places in England. On the whole immigration is a great thing tho

Why aren't they going there do you think?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why aren't they going there do you think?

As far as I know, the immigration levels aren't hugely different to (the majority of) England, there is an issue with birth/death rate that means the population is stagnating / aging (aging populations are a problem) and we're just not popping out enough sprogs, so higher immigration is the only answer.

The stats for England are of course skewed by the London area, which has higher immigration than the rest of the UK by some margin. That's just down to being a "Global City". People aren't migrating "to the UK", they're migrating "to London".

[Northern Monkey]

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[the truth]

definitely a bit lower but high or low isnt the main point, the point is we allow in those who we either need or those who deserve a chance who are running from persecution etc and we certainly need to prevent ILLEGAL immigrants who dont have the paperwork, whom we know little or nothing about in some cases and others who are criminals