[ebandit]

..........how many $'s does that mutha cost?

21,000 lb bomb to take out a handful of enemy personnel........................

shocked and awestruck at ineffectiveness...................

Mark L

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by ebandit

..........how many $'s does that mutha cost?

21,000 lb bomb to take out a handful of enemy personnel........................

shocked and awestruck at ineffectiveness...................

Mark L

To take out a tunnel network.

And probably to test out the MOAB in a live situation and show US power

[ebandit]

just checked out u tube....i see now it were one for the cameras

...but again i'm puzzled we have a computer guided bomb..........then

the bomb carrier 'thingy' falls earth bound to fall on any unlucky passerby

Mark L

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Its only killed 34 murderers so not really any consequences tomaharks caused more of a stirr

According to Western news but not according to Syrian news.

Tell me this though, how can they possibly know how many they have killed or injured?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

According to Western news but not according to Syrian news.

Tell me this though, how can they possibly know how many they have killed or injured?

Front line troops having a look.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And you believe the American government doesn't lie? that Trump doesn't lie?

America lied to us when it said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It didn’t invade Iraq and dispose of Hussein because it was misled, it invaded because of ‘American ideology’ and it was prepared to sacrifice thousands of NATO soldiers as well as kill over a 100,000 Iraqis before turning Iraq into a chaotic dust bowl.
The same happened with Iran in 1953, in Afghanistan in 2001, in Asia, Cuba, Puerto Rico the Philippines Africa, Libya and Vietnam. These CIA military attempts to overthrow governments are endless.

Initially I think they did believe those weapons were there. The fact that inspectors were given the run around by the regime didn't help. We can point to historic events from all countries to the beginning of time but that doesn't make it particularly relevant to the conversation at hand.

Trumps lies are endless, the U.S government lies are endless and ‘Western Civilization’ fully support those lies and every lie the US uses is duplicated throughout Europe, Australia and Canada. Then here we all are shouting, kill the fnckers, nuke the bvstards.

We can't blame Trump's administration for any of the above. What lies exactly do you know he has told?

Yes, yes, lets all believe the propaganda hype against him too! though what he's got to do with this topic is somewhat baffling.

I found it amusing to add Corbyn, another unpopular leader who won't go.

We are the invaders, not Russia.

Good for you if you believe their innocence. I'm not so convinced by state run news.

America and its allies have been flexing its muscles over Muslim rule for far too long and all it causes is, political instability and terrorist blowback. I condemn imperialism and that’s exactly what this is.

Well it is a mysogionistic religion and where it is involved in the political control of a country it usually leads to the oppression of the people therein, particularly the women who have few rights. It also seems to lead to dictatorships.

How can America claim its safeguarding liberty when it approves illegal torture, commits war crimes and created mass genocide in Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria. This is about empire building… ‘divide and rule’ and forgive me, but I'm no cheer leader.

In an ideal world America and it's allies shouldn't have to police it. But we aren't in an ideal world. What's the alternative?

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Front line troops having a look.

drone surveillance....today report at least 90 killed

isis report....................zero casualties

Mark L

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

36 militants dead and the tunnels all but destroyed,is that a bad thing ?

No, it's a good thing.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

In an ideal world America and it's allies shouldn't have to police it. But we aren't in an ideal world. What's the alternative?

Get the Americans out. All America really wants is the Bush gas pipeline to run from Qatar to Europe, so Europe consumes American Interest natural gas and not Russian natural gas!!

This is the nature of the international "Coalition" not about the lives of Middle eastern girls not being able to attend school or women being oppressed, and children being gassed.

The real cause is Money and power!!!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, it's a good thing.

I confess to not knowing much about it Livia,but what do people want ? we cant just sit back surely and people are now complaining that this has happened

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I confess to not knowing much about it Livia,but what do people want ? we cant just sit back surely and people are now complaining that this has happened

WHY?... why can't we just sit back and ignore the war mongers? We have terrorist attacks because we held the Americas hand when it invaded Iraq and Syria and now Trump is busy making threats at North Korea and North Korea are making threats towards the West. Trump knows NK hasn't got the capabilities to send a long range nuclear missile to America but it has got the capabilities to send nuclear missiles to the UK.

More than ever, right now we need to stay the fcuk out

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

WHY?... why can't we just sit back and ignore the war mongers? We have terrorist attacks because we held the Americas hand when it invaded Iraq and Syria and now Trump is busy making threats at North Korea and North Korea are making threats towards the West. Trump knows NK hasn't got the capabilities to send a long range nuclear missile to America but it has got the capabilities to send nuclear missiles to the UK.

More than ever, right now we need to stay the fcuk out

I'm not sure where you read that DR, but it's exactly the same distance (pretty much to the mile) from NK to the south east coast of the UK as it is from NK to the west coast of California. They would want to hit a population center, so would be San Francisco in the US or London in the UK... both are roughly 5250 miles from NK.

Also, to send a nuke to the UK "as the crow flies" from NK would have it flying over thousands of miles of Chinese airspace and a good chunk of Russia, the whole of Ukraine, Poland, Germany and either Belgium or The Netherlands.

To hit San Fran they only have to go through airspace belonging to South Korea and Japan, both of whom they already have toxic relationships with so it wouldn't matter, then it's 4000 miles of open Pacific.

I can't see how the UK is in any way a more feasible target... without them launching from China. Which would be a whole other can of radioactive worms.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

WHY?... why can't we just sit back and ignore the war mongers? We have terrorist attacks because we held the Americas hand when it invaded Iraq and Syria and now Trump is busy making threats at North Korea and North Korea are making threats towards the West. Trump knows NK hasn't got the capabilities to send a long range nuclear missile to America but it has got the capabilities to send nuclear missiles to the UK.

More than ever, right now we need to stay the fcuk out

The only reason we should stay out is to protect our own military personnel - not to stop reprisals from Middle Eastern terrorists.

I really take issue with you constantly suggesting that terrorist attacks on the West are justified - that we bring it on ourselves. Those terrorists terrorise their own and resent us interfering and stopping them doing so, so they try it on us instead. They are nothing but thugs and tyrants and the last thing we should do is bow down to their tyranny and just leave them free to inflict terror on those that can't fight back.

As I said in a previous post it is a dilemma, how can we leave people at the mercy of such cretins, but on the other hand why should we put our own at risk. If we could come up with some magical solution that would wipe all those scumbags off the face of this earth - the world would be a much better place.

[user104658]

TBH if you want NK gone all you really need to do is have Japan lift their non-defensive military ban, arm 'em to the teeth and give them a dozen warheads. I reckon they'd take out NK in a heartbeat , probably in alliance with SK.

Chinese / NK relations have been souring for years... if they cut them loose completely they're ****ed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Get the Americans out. All America really wants is the Bush gas pipeline to run from Qatar to Europe, so Europe consumes American Interest natural gas and not Russian natural gas!!

This is the nature of the international "Coalition" not about the lives of Middle eastern girls not being able to attend school or women being oppressed, and children being gassed.

The real cause is Money and power!!!

So is your answer to leave the civilian citizens at the mercy of tyrants? The west didn't start the Arab Spring, the people did. But their oppressors won't let go. And if we leave them to it, how long after that do the tyrants look over at us? I do not ever advocate war but I think it's very shaky and shady ground to just leave people to it and let them be gassed and barrel bombed etc. It's not our problem right?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

As I said in a previous post it is a dilemma, how can we leave people at the mercy of such cretins, but on the other hand why should we put our own at risk. If we could come up with some magical solution that would wipe all those scumbags off the face of this earth - the world would be a much better place.

And a significantly less populated place; the line of power hungry individuals who would be lining up to take their place would stretch for miles. If you were to wipe out every individual with selfish / cruel / power-craving / megalomaniac intentions by some magical means over-night, a huge chunk of the population would wake up dead. Including a huge chunk of our own political class and several western political leaders.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TBH if you want NK gone all you really need to do is have Japan lift their non-defensive military ban, arm 'em to the teeth and give them a dozen warheads. I reckon they'd take out NK in a heartbeat , probably in alliance with SK.

Chinese / NK relations have been souring for years... if they cut them loose completely they're ****ed.

China would just love that!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The west didn't start the Arab Spring, the people did.

Ummmm well... the people (the younger generations, anyway) certainly wanted to start it but it doesn't take much digging to realise that the US had a heavy influence in actually triggering and further supporting Arab Spring movements. So... the west did a little bit start the Arab Spring.

[Tozzie]

I'm unsure if Trump did the right thing to bomb the Isis tunnels and caves, the trouble is Isis are now roaming all over the place, Europe lets thousands in not long ago, how does anyone know who were or weren't Isis among all those that came. Some will now be dead but there are many many more, he won't get them all and this will have angered the ones still alive more. Someone said, the world is at war, I believe that to be true. I can almost feel it coming. So sorry my young family members are growing up in these times .

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not sure where you read that DR, but it's exactly the same distance (pretty much to the mile) from NK to the south east coast of the UK as it is from NK to the west coast of California. They would want to hit a population center, so would be San Francisco in the US or London in the UK... both are roughly 5250 miles from NK.

Also, to send a nuke to the UK "as the crow flies" from NK would have it flying over thousands of miles of Chinese airspace and a good chunk of Russia, the whole of Ukraine, Poland, Germany and either Belgium or The Netherlands.

To hit San Fran they only have to go through airspace belonging to South Korea and Japan, both of whom they already have toxic relationships with so it wouldn't matter, then it's 4000 miles of open Pacific.

I can't see how the UK is in any way a more feasible target... without them launching from China. Which would be a whole other can of radioactive worms.

Well thank god for that. Thanks for putting me straight on this! its still very scary times though and it feels like Trump is playing Russian Roulette with us all.

[Cherie]

Potential missile ranges

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39612095

[DemolitionRed]

An interesting site http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...united-states/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

WHY?... why can't we just sit back and ignore the war mongers? We have terrorist attacks because we held the Americas hand when it invaded Iraq and Syria and now Trump is busy making threats at North Korea and North Korea are making threats towards the West. Trump knows NK hasn't got the capabilities to send a long range nuclear missile to America but it has got the capabilities to send nuclear missiles to the UK.

More than ever, right now we need to stay the fcuk out

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

An interesting site http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...united-states/

Shame Google wasn't your friend yesterday

[Kizzy]

Looking at that you would think Russia would be more concerned than they appear to be.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

An interesting site http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...united-states/

Interesting.I didn't know NK even had a space program.I knew that ICBM's usually leave the atmosphere and then re-enter and use gravity to reach their target.However i don't think the US would let it get very far off the ground.
A space rocket launch However could be used as cover for a surprise strike leaving not that much time to intercept.