[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Disgusting sarcasm when there's plenty of people who actually are struggling to put food on the table and having to visit food banks

Agreed

[reece(:]

Hasn't she ever so incessantly insisted that a snap election was not needed, can't trust a word this woman says.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Very much so.

Owen Jones had it right in the heartfelt video he uploaded a month or so back, the risk of a landslide defeat for Labour is a disaster for everyone on the left, because it'll put our cause on the backfoot for another entire generation. As Kizzy touched on, the support for the policies is there but people just can't shake the image they have of Corbyn. I voted for him twice but something had to give, we needed time to do some policy developing and hand the baton over to someone like Clive Lewis who could stand on the same platform but without the baggage. Alas, it's too late. There isn't much to hope for in my eyes! You know it's bad when what's coming is blindingly obvious, and yet they're going to be granted a humongous majority to implement all of it

This country and its people are awful.

A lot of labours demise is down to the economy, no one trusts labour with it, with or without corbyn

[Braden]

Even though this election probably won't result in how I wish, I'm still really excited to vote again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Disgusting sarcasm when there's plenty of people who actually are struggling to put food on the table and having to visit food banks

But hey, we're getting our country back so **** those scummy paupers!!! Who cares!! Privatise the NHS!!!! Finish them off!!!!!1

Totally agree again Jack_

I love how you always highlight the realities.

[Ronald.]

Originally Posted by Braden

Even though this election probably won't result in how I wish, I'm still really excited to vote again

Me too! I love election period. The debates, staying up late to watch the results come in.... R.

[Wizard.]

The Challenge impact?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

Agreed

what hypocrisy youre very sarcastic a lot of the time about important issues

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

what hypocrisy youre very sarcastic a lot of the time about important issues

Bitch when

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Fingers crossed for an election, but why risk the fluctuation in the markets that comes with a 'big announcement' :/

fingers crossed that queenie admitted what a fraud she is........and how her family are just a bunch of upper class scroungers...........

Mark L

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Hasn't she ever so incessantly insisted that a snap election was not needed, can't trust a word this woman says.

She's a bloody alien lookalike snake!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The number of poor children going hungry during the school holidays is increasing to “heart-breaking” levels, teachers across the country have warned.

As many as four in five staff (80 per cent) reported a rise in “holiday hunger” over the past two years, with parents of children who qualify for free school meals (FSM) during term-time struggling to find the money to fund extra meals during school holidays.

In a survey led by the National Union of Teachers (NUT), 78 per cent of the 600 teachers polled said they recognised children arriving at school hungry.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...-a7687091.html

That's probably more because of neglect that real poverty.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

She's a bloody alien lookalike snake!

Preferable to the evil Scottish goblin if you really want to get so childish about it.

[joeysteele]

She just cannot be believed on anything she says.
Really the election could have been the same day as the local elections,had she thought this sooner.
Her constant insistence of no early election now just slung out shows how untrustworthy she and her cabinet are.

Of course this election is an opportunist one from her angle,no other reason for it.
She has an overall majority now, she can usually rely too on the Conservative 'poodle' party,namely the N Irish DUP s votes.

For me, I would love to see this move really backfire on her and this smug,arrogant govt.
What a result if she actually has taken voters too much for granted with her deceit this time,and the end result is she loses her overall majority at least.
If the polling narrows and the Lib Dems start taking back seats they had before.
That could be very likely achievable.

Really however,no way can this woman's word be trusted,it couldn't before,all her time as an awful Home Secretary.
If it's possible her word has become even more meaningless after her incredible and massive u turn on this unnecessary election.
Which will likely open up the nasty elements of division,seen just last year in the EU referendum again too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's probably more because of neglect that real poverty.

Parents are more neglectful now than in any point in history?..... Straw clutching at best that is, so there is no failings to be seen, no families falling through the cracks ... just bad parenting.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's probably more because of neglect that real poverty.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Parents are more neglectful now than in any point in history?..... Straw clutching at best that is, so there is no failings to be seen, no families falling through the cracks ... just bad parenting.

It's more complicated than either of these things and also, it is both, to be honest. If a child in the UK is legitimately going hungry, then jaxie is correct, there is an element of neglect or incompetence. There's just no question about that. But that makes it far too simple. Where things are going so wrong, it is in the vast majority of cases, BECAUSE of poverty. Not literally the inability to buy food... but the conditions that people find themselves living in, causing depression, despair, substance abuse, not coping, and the big one - mismanagement leading to crippling debt. That then leads to kids going hungry, underperforming in school, slipping through the net, and reaching adulthood with no prospects and - more importantly - no sense of hope for a better life. The never ending cycle of "the underclass".

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Open borders will finish off the NHS. We all know where Corbyn stands on that, let them all in, including potential terrorists, the more the merrier - never mind that it will be a much more dangerous place to live for all of us however people voted.

I agree Brillo,the NHS has far more people to see to now than it ever did,anyone with a braincell can see how that will impact over the years, and yes it is a far more dangerous place to live in now than it ever was which ironically also puts strain on the NHS.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's probably more because of neglect that real poverty.

I agree,you can see people smoking and on their smartphones while the kids are running round ragged and hungry,imo a bag of potatoes ,tin beans,and half a dozen eggs is a pretty cheap meal, costs less than 20 fags and will feed your family.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Parents are more neglectful now than in any point in history?..... Straw clutching at best that is, so there is no failings to be seen, no families falling through the cracks ... just bad parenting.

How much is a jam sandwich and an apple? How much is the average benefits for someone with a child. Be realistic.

There was more poverty in the past than there is today. People lived in slums and worked from light to dark for a few pennies before the UK had a welfare system. People slept sitting up draped over a rope because it was a place to sleep and all they could afford. Little kids of 7 worked in factories. More poverty now than ever before. What planet are you on?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree,you can see people smoking and on their smartphones while the kids are running round ragged and hungry,imo a bag of potatoes ,tin beans,and half a dozen eggs is a pretty cheap meal, costs less than 20 fags and will feed your family.

Jam sandwich and an apple was all I got when my mother was drinking because the money was spent on vodka. You are exactly right Kazanne.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Disgusting sarcasm when there's plenty of people who actually are struggling to put food on the table and having to visit food banks

But hey, we're getting our country back so **** those scummy paupers!!! Who cares!! Privatise the NHS!!!! Finish them off!!!!!1

Disgusting unrealistic drams.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's more complicated than either of these things and also, it is both, to be honest. If a child in the UK is legitimately going hungry, then jaxie is correct, there is an element of neglect or incompetence. There's just no question about that. But that makes it far too simple. Where things are going so wrong, it is in the vast majority of cases, BECAUSE of poverty. Not literally the inability to buy food... but the conditions that people find themselves living in, causing depression, despair, substance abuse, not coping, and the big one - mismanagement leading to crippling debt. That then leads to kids going hungry, underperforming in school, slipping through the net, and reaching adulthood with no prospects and - more importantly - no sense of hope for a better life. The never ending cycle of "the underclass".

Yup totally agree and I'm not sure that will ever change because it suits the most wealthy and powerful in society to keep them down and the middle/working class blaming the "benefit scroungers" and them blaming us etc etc keeps the focus off those who are the real problem

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's more complicated than either of these things and also, it is both, to be honest. If a child in the UK is legitimately going hungry, then jaxie is correct, there is an element of neglect or incompetence. There's just no question about that. But that makes it far too simple. Where things are going so wrong, it is in the vast majority of cases, BECAUSE of poverty. Not literally the inability to buy food... but the conditions that people find themselves living in, causing depression, despair, substance abuse, not coping, and the big one - mismanagement leading to crippling debt. That then leads to kids going hungry, underperforming in school, slipping through the net, and reaching adulthood with no prospects and - more importantly - no sense of hope for a better life. The never ending cycle of "the underclass".

I'm not saying there isn't a cycle of 'underclass' but claims by some that there is more poverty now than ever before is just completely unrealistic.

With regard to substance abuse, mismanagement of money etc it doesn't​ have to be that way and I think too much is made an excuse. People have some responsibility for their own actions.

My mother drank this was her choice, there were circumstances like my father's illness that you might like to use to excuse her and it was her escape but she could have chosen differently. My father was a diabetic who became disabled at a young age (lost legs) and died on holiday abroad when I was barely out of my teens. We were poor, I was bright. I grew up on a rough council estate in London. I could tell you stories that would make your hair curl! Like the time I was nearly bottled in the face for being pretty by another girl! I was one of those kids who didn't get a secondary school. Though I did pass 11 plus. I was out of school 4 months at 11 before they threw me into a school two long bus journeys from home that had a grammar stream.

I had a friend whose mum died of cancer when she was very young and lived in the same area as me. She had a younger brother she was more or less mum to after that. Their clothes always smelled funny at school because she didn't know to take the washing out of the washing machine right away. She's a very successful accountant with a lovely house. Thank you grammar schools. **** off Diane Abbott who sent her son private but doesn't want anyone else to have grammar schools.

I am happily married, have great kids, own my own house. I run my own business. (No I didn't marry money). The point I'm trying to make is that in the society we live in people have opportunities that they can take. It doesn't have to be a cycle of poverty. There are ways out. Yes of course there are those who need help but I don't think we need make excuses for everyone who doesn't look after their kids properly.

I'm not sorry about any aspect of my life. I had an amazing dad and I took opportunities that came along. Our life shapes us. I'm just trying to show that not everyone from a council estate has to stay there.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not saying there isn't a cycle of 'underclass' but claims by some that there is more poverty now than ever before is just completely unrealistic.

With regard to substance abuse, mismanagement of money etc it doesn't​ have to be that way and I think too much is made an excuse. People have some responsibility for their own actions.

My mother drank this was her choice, there were circumstances like my father's illness that you might like to use to excuse her and it was her escape but she could have chosen differently. My father was a diabetic who became disabled at a young age (lost legs) and died on holiday abroad when I was barely out of my teens. We were poor, I was bright. I grew up on a rough council estate in London. I could tell you stories that would make your hair curl! Like the time I was nearly bottled in the face for being pretty by another girl!

I am happily married, have great kids, own my own house. I run my own business. (No I didn't marry money). The point I'm trying to make is that in the society we live in people have opportunities that they can take. It doesn't have to be a cycle of poverty. There are ways out. Yes of course there are those who need help but I don't think we need make excuses for everyone who doesn't look after their kids properly.

Great post with which I completely agree. People choose their own path in life, regardless of where they come from, through action or inaction. They either wallow and accept or they get up and do something about it.

I wasn't born into privilege and left school with no qualifications because I was too stupid at the time to realise the importance of an education, despite my parents' efforts to persuade me, I thought I knew better. I married young and became a single mother. I went back into education, went to uni and have a career and doing ok. I have little time for those who whinge on in this day and age, when there are so many opportunities for all if they spent less time moaning and more time doing.

It's never too late - so people really do have no excuse.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Jam sandwich and an apple was all I got when my mother was drinking because the money was spent on vodka. You are exactly right Kazanne.

So a jam sandwich and apples are the best that children in problem homes or poor homes should ever expect or be given.
Good lord the UK is getting worse if anyone thinks that right or justifies it.
Glad I am getting out of a UK that has any who may lean to that thinking.