[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Tell that to the people who died after being cleared by ATOS for work. Tell that to the hundreds of families falling below the poverty line. Tell that to the junior doctors. Tell that to those people in the ever expanding NHS waiting lists. Tell that to everyone who has suffered because of the selfish decisions made by the Tories over these last seven years. The Tories don't give a damn about what happens to any of us, they just care about maintaining their image.

Great post,all very true.

Wait until this awful woman and govt starts on wildlife too when she brings back her adored legalising foxhunting plans too.

Anything weaker to be trampled by the powerful,whether it be human or animal.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Over the moon for Andy Burnham winning Manchester, excellent result for him.
One of my favourite politicians and after Brown went he would have been my choice for leader too.

Good luck to him in this important new role.

Agree.I've always thought he should be leader.He also understands the issues in the north and was trying to tell JC that he's losing votes up north because he's not addressing immigration.He'd get my vote.As would Chukka.I don't think i'm alone with this opinion.I think many old Labour voters would come back.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Great post,all very true.

Wait until this awful woman and govt starts on wildlife too when she brings back her adored legalising foxhunting plans too.

Anything weaker to be trampled by the powerful,whether it be human or animal.

I know it's serious but this made me laugh.

[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Rather tragic but only the oldies really vote on Local elections

The Young stay in bed

[Jack_]

The whole thing is just gross and emblematic of an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude sweeping the country. How bad is it going to have to get before people learn?

UKIP's collapse would be something to celebrate if it weren't for the fact the Tories have now pretty much adopted their platform. Honestly I despair, I really do.

Turkeys, voting and Christmas are three words that spring to mind.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Oh so because things are worse elsewhere, we musn't complain about the country going down the ****ter? Seems a great way for a country to be run.

We are not down in the ****ter,there are some I agree that have money troubles and there is also a LOT who dont ,they just think they do,for those in genuine trouble there is help and even food on offer,but a LOT of people just abuse the system as proven.

[Greg!]

another iconic victory for Nikki Sturgeon in Scotland

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I know it's serious but this made me laugh.

My family were active in helping campaign to get foxhunting stopped.
It was welcomed by them when Blairs govt banned it.

I think anyone who can support this barbaric form of hunting,watching an animal torn to bits by packs of dogs and sick gross people on horseback,as being near scum.

Theresa May is a strong supporter of it, why however should that surprise me when she has policies that cause weaker humans to suffer.
Animals have no chance to speak for themselves.

So I for one will always look down on and have no respect for, people who would use power to bring back this truly cruel and barbaric hunting,in the name of so called sport.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We are not down in the ****ter,there are some I agree that have money troubles and there is also a LOT who dont ,they just think they do,for those in genuine trouble there is help and even food on offer,but a LOT of people just abuse the system as proven.

Actually a lot of people don't abuse the system,it's a small minority who do.
I'd like to see your proof since all documentaries claim it's a minority not lots.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Talk about a chip on the shoulder, I am sure most people are savvy enough to realise getting the country back on it's feet will be no easy ride,lots of us find it hard,but better that than plunging into massive debt again.We are lucky in this country things could be so much worse, time to get on with it instead of whining so much.

You can't "get a country back on its feet" with austerity, and things will get much worse.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Oh so because things are worse elsewhere, we musn't complain about the country going down the ****ter? Seems a great way for a country to be run.

No differing opinions allowed, Chewy!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We are not down in the ****ter,there are some I agree that have money troubles and there is also a LOT who dont ,they just think they do,for those in genuine trouble there is help and even food on offer,but a LOT of people just abuse the system as proven.

It's not true, that's basically just a political ploy to get the working and middle classes to turn on each other instead of focusing on the real evil that will ruin us all.

Instead of looking down, try looking up.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not true, that's basically just a political ploy to get the working and middle classes to turn on each other instead of focusing on the real evil that will ruin us all.

Instead of looking down, try looking up.

corporate greed destroyed Europe thanks to the eu

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not true, that's basically just a political ploy to get the working and middle classes to turn on each other instead of focusing on the real evil that will ruin us all.

Instead of looking down, try looking up.

You said it much better than I did Dizzy.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not true, that's basically just a political ploy to get the working and middle classes to turn on each other instead of focusing on the real evil that will ruin us all.

Instead of looking down, try looking up.

No one is looking down,that is what is said of those who support the Tories all the time,you'de think caring and compassion was solely a Labour trait,well it's not,I was always a Labour supporter then Blair/Brown happened,whichever government get in someone will always be stamping their feet about it,no it is not perfect,never will be we just have to decipher who we think is the most honest liar!!! and we should all be working together to help the country,I may not always support the Tories,it depends on their policies,but I certainly wont stop because people try and make me feel guilty over wanting better things by working hard and spending wisely.too many freeloaders spoiling it for others,especially those who REALLY need help.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not true, that's basically just a political ploy to get the working and middle classes to turn on each other instead of focusing on the real evil that will ruin us all.

Instead of looking down, try looking up.

The sad thing is that the longer it goes on, the more it pushes the rest of us into selfishness. I have a daughter who have lifelong additional needs... I no longer trust this country to give a **** about her, care what happens to her, look out for her or even really respect her at all in any way. So that leaves our only real path to protecting her as being exactly the same in return; protecting our own interests, and thus her interests, at all costs no matter what that means for anyone else.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one is looking down,that is what is said of those who support the Tories all the time,you'de think caring and compassion was solely a Labour trait,well it's not,I was always a Labour supporter then Blair/Brown happened,whichever government get in someone will always be stamping their feet about it,no it is not perfect,never will be we just have to decipher who we think is the most honest liar!!! and we should all be working together to help the country,I may not always support the Tories,it depends on their policies,but I certainly wont stop because people try and make me feel guilty over wanting better things by working hard and spending wisely.too many freeloaders spoiling it for others,especially those who REALLY need help.

Well you are if you're willing to blame the unemployed for the country's problems when it's more to do with a cruel government that's succeeded to dividng the lower classes while simultaneously preying on the vulnerable parts of soceity by encouraging people who are unfit to work to basically work themselves to death and making help for people who are entitled to it beyond difficult to get it. But anyway who cares about them and their struggles anyway? They're just scroungers, right Kazanne? Better to demonise them rather than to find fault with the government itself. Let's ignore that fact that tax evasion costs this country more money than the benefits system ever will.

You say that we should 'work together to help the country' but judging by other posts in this thread you should add to that statement by saying 'we should work together but everyone should adhere to MY OPINIONS AND VIEWS' given how you dencounced valid concerns and alternative opinions as 'whining.' Collaboration is built upon compromise, Kazanne. Don't preach teamwork if you aren't willing to compromise and expect everyone else to change their views for your sake. That's not working together, that's surrendering to your viewpoint.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The sad thing is that the longer it goes on, the more it pushes the rest of us into selfishness. I have a daughter who have lifelong additional needs... I no longer trust this country to give a **** about her, care what happens to her, look out for her or even really respect her at all in any way. So that leaves our only real path to protecting her as being exactly the same in return; protecting our own interests, and thus her interests, at all costs no matter what that means for anyone else.

It's terrible and things are only going to get worse, I've got family and friends in Ireland and abroad and depending on how things go I'm honestly considering just leaving the country. This country's future is growing dimmer by the minute on it's current course and I won't sink with it.

Tbh though, I don't think it's a bad thing to vote selfishly, I wish more people did because if that was the case then the Tories would never get into power again. I don't blame affluent and upper class people voting Tory, they are just doing what I am preaching, to ultimately vote for what's best for your own situation but I honestly despair at how willing the average person will vote against themselves and choose Tory despite the fact that they'll be the ones to suffer from it. It's just masochistic.

[user104658]

I'm not even just talking about voting selfishly, though, I mean being genuinely selfish. If there's a way for us to get ahead at the expense of others, at the expense of community, at expense of the country, I'm in the position of having to take it. I used to care more than I do now, basically. I no longer have the luxury of being able to give a **** about a country / residents of a country that has made it abundantly clear that they do not give a **** about people in our position.

I'm also sure that's exactly how the Tories want it, too. This every man for themselves mentality. But in a world that clearly DOES seem to increasingly celebrate that, what choice is there?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well you are if you're willing to blame the unemployed for the country's problems when it's more to do with a cruel government that's succeeded to dividng the lower classes while simultaneously preying on the vulnerable parts of soceity by encouraging people who are unfit to work to basically work themselves to death and making help for people who are entitled to it beyond difficult to get it. But anyway who cares about them and their struggles anyway? They're just scroungers, right Kazanne? Better to demonise them rather than to find fault with the government itself. Let's ignore that fact that tax evasion costs this country more money than the benefits system ever will.

You say that we should 'work together to help the country' but judging by other posts in this thread you should add to that statement by saying 'we should work together but everyone should adhere to MY OPINIONS AND VIEWS' given how you dencounced valid concerns and alternative opinions as 'whining.' Collaboration is built upon compromise, Kazanne. Don't preach teamwork if you aren't willing to compromise and expect everyone else to change their views for your sake. That's not working together, that's surrendering to your viewpoint.

I'm not blaming solely the unemployed but there are a lot of lazy sods who could get off their arse and work, it would all help, I also blame mismanagement of money , the greed of certain people , the overcrowding which is also impacting the NHS , no one has to agree with me infact I know they wont, but they are my opinions and views and until something happens to change that I will continue to be a terrible Tory supporter. Plus people do whine all the time nothing is ever good enough for them simple as, they always want more.I am no different to you or anyone else who think their opinions are the right ones, BUT I do have an open mind,as I have changed sides before.

[Kizzy]

The results were mixed. We lost seats but we are closing the gap on the Conservatives. I am disappointed at every Labour defeat in the local elections. Too many fantastic councillors, who work tirelessly for their communities, lost their seats.

We have five weeks to win the general election, so we can fundamentally transform Britain for the many not the few.

We know this is no small task – it is a challenge on a historic scale. But we, the whole Labour movement and the British people, can’t afford not to seize our moment.

The British people have been held back for too long. Labour will put more money in people’s pockets with a £10 real living wage, look after our pensioners by protecting the triple-lock on state pensions and give everybody the care and dignity they deserve by properly funding our NHS and social care system.

I urge everyone to vote Labour because things can – and will – change.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...b07939cb6972aa

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The whole thing is just gross and emblematic of an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude sweeping the country. How bad is it going to have to get before people learn?

UKIP's collapse would be something to celebrate if it weren't for the fact the Tories have now pretty much adopted their platform. Honestly I despair, I really do.

Turkeys, voting and Christmas are three words that spring to mind.

The whole thing is a gross shambolic Labour party. There is no serious opposition. There won't be until they get their act together and shake Corbyn loose.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The results were mixed. We lost seats but we are closing the gap on the Conservatives. I am disappointed at every Labour defeat in the local elections. Too many fantastic councillors, who work tirelessly for their communities, lost their seats.

We have five weeks to win the general election, so we can fundamentally transform Britain for the many not the few.

We know this is no small task – it is a challenge on a historic scale. But we, the whole Labour movement and the British people, can’t afford not to seize our moment.

The British people have been held back for too long. Labour will put more money in people’s pockets with a £10 real living wage, look after our pensioners by protecting the triple-lock on state pensions and give everybody the care and dignity they deserve by properly funding our NHS and social care system.

I urge everyone to vote Labour because things can – and will – change.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...b07939cb6972aa

Do you have to keep telling yourself this stuff so you believe it?
It's a little out of touch with reality.

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;9297532]The results were mixed. We lost seats but we are closing the gap on the Conservatives. I am disappointed at every Labour defeat in the local elections. Too many fantastic councillors, who work tirelessly for their communities, lost their seats.

We have five weeks to win the general election, so we can fundamentally transform Britain for the many not the few.

We know this is no small task – it is a challenge on a historic scale. But we, the whole Labour movement and the British people, can’t afford not to seize our moment.

The British people have been held back for too long. Labour will put more money in people’s pockets with a £10 real living wage, look after our pensioners by protecting the triple-lock on state pensions and give everybody the care and dignity they deserve by properly funding our NHS and social care system.

I urge everyone to vote Labour because things can – and will – change.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...b07939cb6972aa[/QUOTE


I wish you luck.
I will be voting Labour obviously.

7 years of austerity and hammering the sick and disabled and indeed those unemployed too is more than enough for any to have to put up with.

Like others have said,it brings despair into play that the failure of this govts austerity measures get support,and will be given them again for yet another 5 years.

That's why I am off in part from the UK,I can well understand others looking at the divisive road the UK is being taken down by this deceitful PM and govt.and thinking of possibly leaving the UK.

This govt with a bigger majority will bring much more misery to those who are weakest,as they have for the last 7 years.

If people really agree with that and will support it too by electing this govt again,then the UK is really.turning into a pretty bad place to be,' in my view'.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can't "get a country back on its feet" with austerity, and things will get much worse.