[Marsh.]

Ok, to play along. Let's sack the interpreters, now where is that money going to go instead?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Some people just see "Big Numbaz" and don't understand what they actually represent.

A quick google shows that the NHS spends £23,000,000 on translators per year. DAS BIG NUMBAZ! Economy panic!

... ... it's actually 0.0002% of the NHS budget. .

It's £23,000,000 less being spent on medical care. That would buy a lot of care.

But never mind such small numbaz don't matter when the NHS is in such a state. Let's just beez clever anz quote numbaz instead of thinking about ze extraz care zat money could buy.

[MB.]

I like how Marsh is vehemently fighting for both sides of the argument at the same time here

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's £23,000,000 less being spent on medical care. That would buy a lot of care.

But never mind such small numbaz don't matter when the NHS is in such a state. Let's just beez clever anz quote numbaz instead of thinking about ze extraz care zat money could buy.

No, I asked you to quote numbers because simply saying "XYZ should not happen because it costs money" is not a valid debate.

Everything costs money.

Bringing actual facts and figures into the discussion is obvious.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

I like how Marsh is vehemently fighting for both sides of the argument at the same time here

I'm calling out bulls*t comments, I don't care who made them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's £23,000,000 less being spent on medical care. That would buy a lot of care.

But never mind such small numbaz don't matter when the NHS is in such a state. Let's just beez clever anz quote numbaz instead of thinking about ze extraz care zat money could buy.

I like how we are so far gone 23,000,000 is peanuts

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Ok, to play along. Let's sack the interpreters, now where is that money going to go instead?

Sick patients!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sick patients!

Not to the hospital shop

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sick patients!

That's a broad topic there pal.

Are you suggesting we put £ 23, 000, 000 into a sack and have a prize draw for the patients who have beds?

[Marsh.]

Money is spent on NHS vending machines. I am disgusted.

How much money is spent on Quavers that could be spent on cancer research?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'm calling out bulls*t comments, I don't care who made them.

What's bull**** then - as you seem to think you have all the answers. Explain how you know better.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What's bull**** then - as you seem to think you have all the answers. Explain how you know better.

Where have I suggested I have all the answers?

I'm not the one adamantly claiming £23 million is being spent in the wrong place and suggesting we send it to "sick people".

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Money is spent on NHS vending machines. I am disgusted.

How much money is spent on Quavers that could be spent on cancer research?

You seriously comparing quavers and £23,000,000 of precious NHS money wasted on non-mecical care.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I like how we are so far gone 23,000,000 is peanuts

Well, do tell what huge difference making all of the interpreters unemployed (oh nooooo not more job seekers allowance) achieves? Is this 23 million equally spread across the entire NHS out of fairness, you know where it would make absolute sod all difference?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Where have I suggested I have all the answers?

I'm not the one adamantly claiming £23 million is being spent in the wrong place and suggesting we send it to "sick people".

So you think spending on interpreters is more important than spending on medical care? Not in my book.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You seriously comparing quavers and £23,000,000 of precious NHS money wasted on non-mecical care.

Well, you add up all of those Quaver bags and you have quite a pile of money. We might fight the obesity epidemic that is DRAINING our country too.

But, whilst we're at it let's sack the office staff and the grounds keepers and any other "non-medical care" and you might realise what a ridiculous Utopia you have dreamt up.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, do tell what huge difference making all of the interpreters unemployed (oh nooooo not more job seekers allowance) achieves? Is this 23 million equally spread across the entire NHS out of fairness, you know where it would make absolute sod all difference?

Seriously that is a very silly comment. I'm sure that amount of money could save lives. Even one life saved would be far more worthwhile than interpreters for people who shouldn't need them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So you think spending on interpreters is more important than spending on medical care? Not in my book.

More important? No.

Just like I don't think the canteen girl's wages are more important than serious medical treatment. But then, neither the canteen girl nor the interpreter are draining the NHS budget from taking care of Betty in bed 2.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I like how we are so far gone 23,000,000 is peanuts

It's like 30p per person in the UK per year. It is literally less than peanuts.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Seriously that is a very silly comment. I'm sure that amount of money could save lives. Even one life saved would be far more worthwhile than interpreters for people who shouldn't need them.

Yeah, and I'm sure one saved life would be more important than the guy brushing leaves in the car park. But.... nobody's ranting about that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, you add up all of those Quaver bags and you have quite a pile of money. We might fight the obesity epidemic that is DRAINING our country too.

But, whilst we're at it let's sack the office staff and the grounds keepers and any other "non-medical care" and you might realise what a ridiculous Utopia you have dreamt up.

This gets sillier by the minute - office staff etc are needed to help provide the care. Lazy people wasting tax payers money are not.

I know more about this than you clearly do so I won't waste my time anymore.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's like 30p per person in the UK per year. It is literally less than peanuts.

The total is not peanuts - it would help a lot of people.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

This gets sillier by the minute - office staff etc are needed to help provide the care. Lazy people wasting tax payers money are not.

So, out of every penny of the NHS budget (I'm guessing you have scanned over it here) the biggest waste you could find on "non-medical" care is interpreters? Really?

Also, the only way someone cannot be fluent in English (especially when it comes to discussing medical issues and treatment which is a tough thing to do even when Doctor/Patient share a language) is them being "lazy people"? Really?

Oh but, wait...

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I know more about this than you clearly do so I won't waste my time anymore.

Oh yes. Of course. I forgot...

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is very expensive.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I work in the NHS and have arranged interpreters.

Well, it's hard to debate these stone cold facts.

But, wait. I work in the NHS and serve chips.

It is very expensive.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, out of every penny of the NHS budget (I'm guessing you have scanned over it here) the biggest waste you could find on "non-medical" care is interpreters? Really?

Also, the only way someone cannot be fluent in English (especially when it comes to discussing medical issues and treatment which is a tough thing to do even when Doctor/Patient share a language) is them being "lazy people"? Really?

Oh but, wait...



Oh yes. Of course. I forgot...





Well, it's hard to debate these stone cold facts.

But, wait. I work in the NHS and serve chips.

It is very expensive.

I serve chips do l. Why did I waste my time at uni I wonder.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I serve chips do l. Why did I waste my time at uni I wonder.

No.

I serve chips. How else do you think I know so much about how much of the NHS budget is wasted on Quavers?