[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No.

I serve chips. How else do you think I know so much about how much of the NHS budget is wasted on Quavers?

You can dress it up all you like but if people made more effort in the country they have chosen to live to learn the language more money would be available for the care of others.

It isn't rocket science - although to some maybe it is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You can dress it up all you like but if people made more effort in the country they have chosen to live to learn the language more money would be available for the care of others.

It isn't rocket science - although to some maybe it is.

Oh no, trust me, it's dressed enough. You've over dressed it.

Lazy foreigners are causing a strain on NHS budgets and taking much needed care away from dying English people. We all get it.

Just like if people picked up after themselves we wouldn't have to employ cleaners and litter pickers.
Meanwhile, in the real world...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Money is spent on NHS vending machines. I am disgusted.

How much money is spent on Quavers that could be spent on cancer research?

Ok i legit died at this comment

[jennyjuniper]

Yes definately. It's an aid to integration. It's safer if they drive and can read road signs and it's the polite and right thing to do. When I moved abroad, even though english was widely spoken, I still found it hard to get a job until I had learned the language.
Not only that, but learning the language of the country you are living in enriches you too, because you get to know the people and culture so much better when you can understand their humour and read their literature.

[Beso]

No, but they need to speak thier own language quieter whilst on buses etc.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's like 30p per person in the UK per year. It is literally less than peanuts.

per person yes, in relation to buying a few new machines in a hospital then no, And literally if we break everything we spend money unwisely on per person you can just about justify anything, I think a compromise would be if you work you bring your own, they have no qualms about asking patients most of them elderly to pay in Spain and it works fine, no reason it can't work here

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The total is not peanuts - it would help a lot of people.

Yeah it would take the money available for each person from 100% to an eye-watering 100.0002%.

Youre just demonstrating that you have no understanding of funding on a national scale. Ł23 million pounds to an individual, yes, is a lot of money. Ł23 million for one hospital, yes, may even be a decent sum.

But one hospital is not spending Ł23 million.

There are roughly 150 NHS trusts across the UK. That already takes us to Ł150000 per trust. There are SEVERAL hospitals, clinics, surgeries etc. in each trust. So split that again to maybe Ł10,000 - Ł20,000 per establishment. That might even be generous. That's per year. Do you even understand the running costs of a hospital? Like... Even vaguely? The budget for translators is miniscule. It just... Is. The facts and figures are available for anyone who wants to see them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah it would take the money available for each person from 100% to an eye-watering 100.0002%.

Youre just demonstrating that you have no understanding of funding on a national scale. Ł23 million pounds to an individual, yes, is a lot of money. Ł23 million for one hospital, yes, may even be a decent sum.

But one hospital is not spending Ł23 million.

There are roughly 150 NHS trusts across the UK. That already takes us to Ł150000 per trust. There are SEVERAL hospitals, clinics, surgeries etc. in each trust. So split that again to maybe Ł10,000 - Ł20,000 per establishment. That might even be generous. That's per year. Do you even understand the running costs of a hospital? Like... Even vaguely? The budget for translators is miniscule. It just... Is. The facts and figures are available for anyone who wants to see them.

Interpreters are required for a limited number of hospitals so it's not spread around between every hospital, some shoulder the burden more than others I can't imagine there is much call for interpreters in Cornwall for instance but in London the need is very high, it's not all about money it's putting systems in place that are fair to everyone not throwing money around and creating resentment especially when we are constantly told NHS funding is in CRISES if they want raise Ni they need to show that the tax paying public that they are making changes that save money in the right areas not denying drugs to patients because they are too expensive, it might be a drop in the ocean but savings have to start somewhere, and starting by maybe having enough cleaning staff to do a decent job would have an impact on levels of MRSA and so on..

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Interpreters are required for a limited number of hospitals so it's not spread around between every hospital, some shoulder the burden more than others I can't imagine there is much call for interpreters in Cornwall for instance but in London the need is very high, it's not all about money it's putting systems in place that are fair to everyone not throwing money around and creating resentment especially when we are constantly told NHS funding is in CRISES if they want raise Ni they need to show that the tax paying public that they are making changes that save money in the right areas not denying drugs to patients because they are too expensive, it might be a drop in the ocean but savings have to start somewhere, and starting by maybe having enough cleaning staff to do a decent job would have an impact on levels of MRSA and so on..

Excellent point. It does as you say have to start somewhere - kind of like saving the pennies and the pounds taking care of themselves.

There are very strict cutbacks in all areas of the NHS in an attempt to save money so spending on people who could do more to help themselves, but choose not to, is very frustrating.

If we take the attitude that every 'small' amount spent (Ł23,000,000 - eek) on less productive services is just a drop in the ocean and irrelevant then the NHS going bankrupt would likely be the foregone conclusion.

For instance just imagine how many hip /knee ops, many of which are being cancelled, could that money pay for.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Try telling that to all the Brits who move to France and can't/won't speak a word of French

Didn't you tell us at one point that you live in France for part of the year? How's your French?

[Withano]

Even if it was mandatory to understand English to live here, the NHS would still require interpreters.
Medical documents need to be translated, video interpretations, conference calls, BSL interpreters, seminars, business meetings etc

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

creating resentment

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.

especially when we are constantly told NHS funding is in CRISES if they want raise Ni they need to show that the tax paying public that they are making changes that save money in the right areas not denying drugs to patients because they are too expensive, it might be a drop in the ocean but savings have to start somewhere, and starting by maybe having enough cleaning staff to do a decent job would have an impact on levels of MRSA and so on..

Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of Ł23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of Ł23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I work in the NHS and have arranged interpreters. How do you propose I show you the statistics of that then.

I hardly said it was crippling the economy, no dramatics please, I said it is taking money away from other areas where it is desperately needed which it is. Who knows maybe one of those who would miss out as a result would be a relative/friend of yours.

Why should others suffer because of people who can't be bothered to learn the language of the country they have chosen to live in and much needed money has to be spent on interpreters for them instead where it is really needed.

[Kazanne]

I am sick of the times I have been on the phone with someone I cant understand, I do on occasion ask if I can speak to someone who speaks English as honestly some of them are just jibberish to me.

[reece(:]

Definitely (but holiday goers get a free pass!)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of Ł23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

Ł23 million may not make a Hugh diffference to the wider NHS but it would make a lot of difference to those it could help.

Also, the crisis in the NHS may be as a result of Tory policy, but regardless of that the money that is there should be better spent i.e. Not on interpreters.

Lack of funding from the tories needs to be addressed but, in the meantime, we should not waste the precious funds we have. - that really is no excuse.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Definitely (but holiday goers get a free pass!)

Yes if your only going to the country for a week or 2 it isnt important but t is if you choose to live there

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

per person yes, in relation to buying a few new machines in a hospital then no, And literally if we break everything we spend money unwisely on per person you can just about justify anything, I think a compromise would be if you work you bring your own, they have no qualms about asking patients most of them elderly to pay in Spain and it works fine, no reason it can't work here

Yeah it works the other way too.

You can add up how much is spent on "non-important" things until you're blue in the face and be horrified at how much money is spent not saving lives.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!

Although I agree with your post in general I will add that duplicate letters being sent out has more to do with staff shortages and staff being under considerable stress rather than incompetence or not caring about their job.

The workload of all NHS staff is very heavy because of staff shortages and very stressful. Mistakes occur.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes. There you go. This is exactly what it's about; not the actual money.



Funding is in crisis because the Conservatives have deliberately and systematically slashed funding in order to destabilise the NHS, erode public confidence, and sell it all off to private organisations. Until people start understanding this, there's very little point in discussing what could or couldn't be done with the (YES ****ING TINY IN NATIONWIDE TERMS no matter how sarcastic people want to be about that) amount of Ł23,000,000 that is spent on interpreters for non English speaking patients.

A saving of 23 million would make absolutely zero difference to the wider NHS. None. Zip. People want translation services cut out of PURE SPITE because they personally don't believe non English speakers should be using the NHS or accommodated in doing so. Simple as that.

Exactly. Fair enough if that is their opinion but don't try and then fail to dress it up as faux outrage at the interpreters wages bleeding out much needed NHS funding.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes I understand the cuts to funding, but I also understand that there is huge waste in the NHS, how many unnecessary letters for instance are sent out, I got one the other day confirming an appointment had been cancelled after I had already received one the previous week so in effect a letter confirming what a letter had previously confirmed, this isn't a one off, it happens regularly, the problem it seem these day is that no one actually gives a monkeys about the job they do or uses their brain, it's someone else's money and as long as their pay goes into their account at the end of the month who cares!

Cherie proving my earlier point about useless bloody administrators.

Get them out first!!!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Although I agree with your post in general I will add that duplicate letters being sent out has more to do with staff shortages and staff being under considerable stress rather than incompetence or not caring about their job.

The workload of all NHS staff is very heavy because of staff shortages and very stressful. Mistakes occur.

I'm not sure it is a mistake though as it happens so often it looks like some sort of procedure they follow

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah it works the other way too.

You can add up how much is spent on "non-important" things until you're blue in the face and be horrified at how much money is spent not saving lives.

So let's just add non-essential interpreters to the list then. Put the emphasis of what should be a personal responsibility of those that choose to live here onto an already cash strapped NHS. Bull!

[Cherie]

Is it spiteful of the a Spanish to get expats to pay for their interpreters or prudence on their part?