[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

For someone who doesn't support a party you are doing a great impression of being a Tory

I try and lure him from the dark side Cherie, but they drag him back kicking and screaming

[ebandit]

catch 22...........labour not seen as viable proposition

..........so voters avoid

..........so don't appear to be a viable choice

Mark L

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

For someone who doesn't support a party you are doing a great impression of being a Tory

Never in my life voted Tory.Never will.Just pissed off with Labour for making me unable to give them my vote.Corbyn would get my vote if he was more moderate in many of his views.
I agree with him on certain issues.
Labour would make me happy with a more centre ground leader.
They keep putting jokers in the job.

[joeysteele]

Different times admittedly but election campaigns can go wrong badly and at the last minute too,depending on other events.
Reading through political history, an extremely popular Pm Harold Wilson, saw local election results mark a good recovery for the then Labour govt.
He after them called an election in mid June.

He was against heath as Conservative leader who was wrongly seen as a joke by some voters.
During the election,Labour had 12% and higher leads with Wilson far and away the more popular leader.

Come election day and the run in of the final days,the end result was a shock win for Heath's Conservatives,with an overall majority of 30,overturning Labour's previous 90+ overall majority won in 1966.

Election outcomes can become not the result expected at the time of calling them
Things can be altered considerably even moreso nearer the end of the campaign period.

So hopefully this smug arrogant lot could yet find all things will not go as expected by this PM as to her greed of wanting a bigger majority.

She already had one of 12, Sinn Feint do not take their Westminster seats,so her majority rises to 16,then she also can rely on Conservative poodles the Dup,taking her to over 30 as a working majority then also Carswell's vote too,whatever party he calls himself now.

Voters should think on that she has a good majority of votes in Parliament right now.
She is not happy with what the Cons got from voters in 2015, now she wants even more.
I hope her greed rebounds on her as it really ought to in my view.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Different times admittedly but election campaigns can go wrong badly and at the last minute too,depending on other events.
Reading through political history, an extremely popular Pm Harold Wilson, saw local election results mark a good recovery for the then Labour govt.
He after them called an election in mid June.

He was against heath as Conservative leader who was wrongly seen as a joke by some voters.
During the election,Labour had 12% and higher leads with Wilson far and away the more popular leader.

Come election day and the run in of the final days,the end result was a shock win for Heath's Conservatives,with an overall majority of 30,overturning Labour's previous 90+ overall majority won in 1966.

Election outcomes can become not the result expected at the time of calling them
Things can be altered considerably even moreso nearer the end of the campaign period.

So hopefully this smug arrogant lot could yet find all things will not go as expected by this PM as to her greed of wanting a bigger majority.

She already had one of 12, Sinn Feint do not take their Westminster seats,so her majority rises to 16,then she also can rely on Conservative poodles the Dup,taking her to over 30 as a working majority then also Cartwheels vote too,whatever party he calls himself now.

Voters should think on that she has a good majority of votes in Parliament right now.
She is not happy with what the Cons got from voters in 2015, now she wants even more.
I hope her greed rebounds on her as it really ought to in my view.

A leader wanting more seats equates to greed? That's a very strange point of view from someone involved in politics. I thought that was the name of the game.

Looking to the past will not help predict the election next month in my opinion. Politics has seen nothing like the events in the last couple of years and the electorate is a very different body now. The local election results on Thursday/Friday showed a massive swing to the Conservatives and humiliating losses to Labour. This morning Corbyn is saying he can turn it around. He's hopeless, desperate to hang on to the leadership while his party collapses all around him. The denial is palpable... I imagine some Labour supporters today are wishing Andy Burnham had got the job, he's obviously far more popular than Corbyn, who looks like he won't step down until Labour is beyond saving.

I'm going to look forward to reading through this thread on 9th June.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

A leader wanting more seats equates to greed? That's a very strange point of view from someone involved in politics. I thought that was the name of the game

Looking to the past will not help predict the election next month in my opinion. Politics has seen nothing like the events in the last couple of years and the electorate is a very different body now. The local election results on Thursday/Friday showed a massive swing to the Conservatives and humiliating losses to Labour. This morning Corbyn is saying he can turn it around. He's hopeless, desperate to hang on to the leadership while his party collapses all around him. The denial is palpable... I imagine some Labour supporters today are wishing Andy Burnham had got the job, he's obviously far more popular than Corbyn, who looks like he won't step down until Labour is beyond saving.

I'm going to look forward to reading through this thread on 9th June.

Oh I think it good to look back,if politicians did a bit more looking back as to policymaking,they may avoid the same errors when things went wrong.

Elections can bring about changes unexpected as looking back to 1970 demonstrated.
If elections were just scripted with no likely change possible,what is the point of them then.

She did not need to call this election,she had,as I listed a comfortable command of votes in Parliament.
When has she ever lost a vote really yet since becoming PM.

She was the one stressing and totally ruling out any new election repeatedly until 2020.
All she has demonstrated, to me anyway, is even when she insists her word is sacrosanct,it clearly is not the case at all that it is.

Politics is near always in a different place of course,which is why I stated clearly at the very start of my post with it being different times.

The comparison however of a highly popular PM against a seemingly much weaker opposition leader then.
Doing much better in the then recent local elections and calling an election after with a lead in polling of between 12% to 18% is, in my opinion,maybe not yours,a valid consideration.


To your point on Andy Burnham,I totally agree and I am one,as you stated, who wish he was the leader,
I actually even hoped,when I was not a Labour supporter in 2010,that he could have won the leadership over either Miliband even.

Andy Burnham I respect in politics along with many others of all Parties too.

Anyway,I think it good to look back as to politics and what you often find is elections can be tricky.
Even when as this one is, at present being taken for granted by Con supporters,in that only a much greater majority for Mrs May and Co should be the only outcome.
I'd like to think it just possible voters may not like that sort of arrogance.

Mrs May is the one telling voters what they gave the Conservatives just 2 years ago is not good enough,that she is wanting more from them than last time now, at this time in this election.
I'm not saying that,she is.

[DemolitionRed]

Use Your Vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3y-tchDmJA

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Use Your Vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3y-tchDmJA

Does anyone know how he got on?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Does anyone know how he got on?

No but I would of voted for him!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Use Your Vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3y-tchDmJA

I thought that was Eileen off corrie!

[Kizzy]

Gettin!!!



'If voted into government on 8 June, the Labour Party will scrap university tuition fees. On the day Labour launched its education proposals, this may be the one that wins it the general election.

The game-changing promise

While New Labour introduced tuition fees under Tony Blair, current leader Jeremy Corbyn voted against them. Corbyn also voted consistently against the subsequent rises implemented by the Tory-Lib Dem Coalition government. And if voted into Number 10 on 8 June, he will continue his commitment to free universal education by scrapping the fees altogether.

Speaking about the plan, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell said:

It’s not a commodity to be bought and sold.

So we want to introduce – just as the Attlee government with Nye Bevan introduced the National Health Service – we want to introduce a national education service.

Free at the point of need throughout life. And that means ending the cuts in the schools at primary and secondary level. It means free childcare. It means free school training when you need it throughout life.

And yes, it means scrapping tuition fees once and for all so we don’t burden our kids with debt for the future.'

Youtube video

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/10/...lection-video/

[Wizard.]

^^ I'm fine paying the current tuition fees. I'd rather pay them than get it for free at the expense of the country.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Riley.

^^ I'm fine paying the current tuition fees. I'd rather pay them than get it for free at the expense of the country.

Good for you.

[Cherie]

wow, if that doesn't get the youth off their arses to vote nothing will...when would it kick in though..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Riley.

^^ I'm fine paying the current tuition fees. I'd rather pay them than get it for free at the expense of the country.

I get the impression you are pretty well off though I don't want my son coming out with 50K worth of debt tyvm

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Gettin!!!



'If voted into government on 8 June, the Labour Party will scrap university tuition fees. On the day Labour launched its education proposals, this may be the one that wins it the general election.

The game-changing promise

While New Labour introduced tuition fees under Tony Blair, current leader Jeremy Corbyn voted against them. Corbyn also voted consistently against the subsequent rises implemented by the Tory-Lib Dem Coalition government. And if voted into Number 10 on 8 June, he will continue his commitment to free universal education by scrapping the fees altogether.

Speaking about the plan, Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell said:

It’s not a commodity to be bought and sold.

So we want to introduce – just as the Attlee government with Nye Bevan introduced the National Health Service – we want to introduce a national education service.

Free at the point of need throughout life. And that means ending the cuts in the schools at primary and secondary level. It means free childcare. It means free school training when you need it throughout life.

And yes, it means scrapping tuition fees once and for all so we don’t burden our kids with debt for the future.'

Youtube video

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/10/...lection-video/

So those are the pros, what are the cons?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Good for you.

When Labour offer people the world and everything in it their credibility goes down the drain!

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I get the impression you are pretty well off though I don't want my son coming out with 50K worth of debt tyvm

No, I live independently from my parents and receive the highest student loan with 9,000 a year tuition fees for 4 years so it all totals 50,000 but I entered University aware of this and I think paying back a small percentage each month once earning over Ł21,000 is a pretty fair deal. I'm not well off AT ALL but I am not going to go around asking for everything to be handed to me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Riley.

When Labour offer people the world and everything in it their credibility goes down the drain!

They will have to show how they are going to pay for it, they manage to pay tuition fees in Scotland and fees in Wales are a third of what they are in England where is the fairness in that?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They will have to show how they are going to pay for it, they manage to pay tuition fees in Scotland and fees in Wales are a third of what they are in England where is the fairness in that?

The only reason they get it free or cheap is because it is subsidized by the British government, I actually agree with you that it's not fair at all and I would like to see Scotland and Wales pay Ł9,000 like us in England.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Riley.

No, I live independently from my parents and receive the highest student loan with 9,000 a year tuition fees for 4 years so it all totals 50,000 but I entered University aware of this and I think paying back a small percentage each month once earning over Ł21,000 is a pretty fair deal. I'm not well off AT ALL but I am not going to go around asking for everything to be handed to me.

9,000 x 4 = 36, the 50k kicks when you have to pay for Halls and rent accommodation in subsequent years?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

9,000 x 4 = 36, the 50k kicks when you have to pay for Halls and rent accommodation in subsequent years?

Yes Ł36,000 for tuition then 4 x Ł3,500 for my student loan = Ł14,000 totaling Ł50,000 I will probably never pay it off although I hope I can, but it's a pretty fair system and I am grateful because without it I couldn't afford to go to university. University will allow me to earn more than enough to pay it back.

If you make University free the taxpayer is still paying for it. Wait until tax is extortionate to fund all of Labours projects then you'll be begging for students to pay for their OWN education and not everyone else.

[Kizzy]

Do you live with your parents? I'll ask you again ow you feel when you are trying to save for your own home, or run a car.

[Wizard.]

Labour want to introduce a National Education Service funded by raising corporation tax, but then businesses will eff off to other countries and our economy will be screwed. Then everything collapses. Scream Marxism all you like but at the end of the day without big business, you become a minuscule little Britain that nobody wants to touch with a barge pole. But that's okay because I can be spoonfed by Jeremy Corbyn, John MCdonall and Diane 'Racist' Abbott.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do you live with your parents? I'll ask you again ow you feel when you are trying to save for your own home, or run a car.

I previously said I live independently from my parents. I get nothing from my single mother actually she borrows money off of me.